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The only way it's not going to happen is for moderate muslims to start distancing themselves from the violence and doing their part to end this. But, it's perhaps too late, they've made their bed.
You cannot be 'moderately' religious. You either believe the books and all the nonsense they contain, or you don't. Moderation in religion is a myth.

'Moderates' are part of the problem. They keep the fables alive, and passively provide cover for the extremists and the atrocities they plan to inflict in the name of their religion.
 

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how did i identify as a musie lover? i just thought you were a piece of shit. Along with some muslims, some cops, and some conservatives most liberals. basically you were the only one i had issue with.
You are the typical Muslim or Muslim apologist, bashing Overbear because he is gay. You people would stone him to death if you could. stir
 

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You cannot be 'moderately' religious. You either believe the books and all the nonsense they contain, or you don't. Moderation in religion is a myth.

'Moderates' are part of the problem. They keep the fables alive, and passively provide cover for the extremists and the atrocities they plan to inflict in the name of their religion.
You're going to have to fish somewhere else for your religion argument.
 

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That little bit up there in the quote by screwy,'he who kills an innocent man, has killed all of mankind' is quoted out of context. It is talking of killing an innocent muslim man. The whole book is literally full of killing nonbelievers and jihad.
 

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You cannot be 'moderately' religious. You either believe the books and all the nonsense they contain, or you don't. Moderation in religion is a myth.

'Moderates' are part of the problem. They keep the fables alive, and passively provide cover for the extremists and the atrocities they plan to inflict in the name of their religion.
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I consider myself a moderate Christian, open to the idea other faiths are just as valid too.

There's plenty of folks in other faiths that feel the same way too.

Not ever church is filled with Holy Rollers.

and not every believer goes to church (or mosque).
 

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That little bit up there in the quote by screwy,'he who kills an innocent man, has killed all of mankind' is quoted out of context. It is talking of killing an innocent muslim man. The whole book is literally full of killing nonbelievers and jihad.
Well show us the verse, Mr. Koran.

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I consider myself a moderate Christian, open to the idea other faiths are just as valid too.
Jesus said he was "the way and the truth and the life" and "nobody cometh unto the father except through me".

If you are "open to the ideas of other faiths" you are NOT a Christian.
 

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Well show us the verse, Mr. Koran.

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Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

There is one example.

also:
Let me quote from Umar ibn Kathir (1301-1373) a foremost Tafsir(interpreter) writer, (another source to illustrate that this concept is not unique or bigoted or modern.) [3] :

So, strictly speaking, verse 5:32 is only applicable to the children of Israel (the verse says it). Any way, to be fair, we shall ignore this limitation and concentrate on the wider meaning:

On the surface of it, the first sentence (Islamists often quote only the first sentence, conveniently hiding the next sentence) of verse 5:32 seems very munificence and non-violent. What does the next sentence say? It says clearly that even when Allah sent His messengers many people disbelieved them. Muhammad was one of such messengers, the best and the last. Therefore, “those who disbelieve in Muhammad and Allah (i.e. the non-Muslims) are the transgressors. Evidently, the non-Muslims are the mischief-makers on earth. Logically, these non-Muslims do not fall under the purview of the merciful provisions of verse 5:32. In simple language, this means: verse 5:32 is applicable only to the Muslims. To confirm this, let me quote ibn Kathir the foremost Tafsir writer:

Beginning of Kathir’s quote

(if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden (A Muslim.) So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.” Similar was said by Mujahid;

https://mbplee.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/§7-whoever-kills-a-person-unjustly-quran-532/
 

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You are the typical Muslim or Muslim apologist, bashing Overbear because he is gay. You people would stone him to death if you could. stir
LOL...Bi, still into the ladies too once in a while :flipoff2: ... as long as they ain't muslim
 

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Well show us the verse, Mr. Koran.

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You are an uneducated idiot. Research is easy.


Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.



The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim may appear friendly to non-Muslims, though they should not feel that way..

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
 

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Well show us the verse, Mr. Koran.

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It's directed at the Jews.

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
The caveat is the justification. If it's retaliation for murder or desecration of the land, it's justified to kill.
 

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That little bit up there in the quote by screwy,'he who kills an innocent man, has killed all of mankind' is quoted out of context. It is talking of killing an innocent muslim man. The whole book is literally full of killing nonbelievers and jihad.


that scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods you have not known before. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy[a] all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. hen you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors.

18 “The Lord your God will be merciful only if you listen to his voice and keep all his commands that I am giving you today, doing what pleases him.
Deuteronomy 13:13-18 New Living Translation (NLT)
 
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