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A whole $20 worth!!


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Ok, so I have a question:

What the hell purpose is it going to serve running your intake to the back of the fender?

Don't you think that water will back up there, considering there is nothing between inner and outer fender?

...Just curious.
 

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The point is, it takes in air about 6" higher now. Not to mention if he drops his front end into a hole unexpecedly, the intake will not take in water.
 

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hmmmm, so you now move the inlet to where water is pushed into from the tires??? I don't get it... I did this, and it sucked..
 

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Originally posted by Crash:
<STRONG>hmmmm, so you now move the inlet to where water is pushed into from the tires??? I don't get it... I did this, and it sucked..</STRONG>
That's exactly what I was thinking. Mine's a pice of 2 1/2" shop vac hose, that I zip-tie to the rainrail... It's been off for like 6 months, because I don't need it. If I do need it, i just feed it through the holes in the fender, and hoseclamp it to the intake. This, however, is right where the tire throws not only water, but also DUST. That's gotta be HELL on your aircleaner...

Meh.
 

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Originally posted by Crash:
<STRONG>hmmmm, so you now move the inlet to where water is pushed into from the tires??? I don't get it... I did this, and it sucked..</STRONG>
If this were true shouldn't there have been alot of water marks / mud / dust particles in the area between the inner fender and outer fender. When we took them off it was clean, bye the way his truck has been in the mud recently so it isn't that way cause it was never dirty.


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what about:

the exhaust
distributer
wire loom and conections
tranny
transfer case
axles
clutch
and all the other shit water is gonna get in and ruin? not to mention from the looks of it you just restricted air flow to your motor resulting in less HP. looks about as usefull as chrome mud flaps.
 

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Ouch!...but good point.

Originally posted by camo:
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what about:

the exhaust
distributer
wire loom and conections
tranny
transfer case
axles
clutch
and all the other shit water is gonna get in and ruin? not to mention from the looks of it you just restricted air flow to your motor resulting in less HP. looks about as usefull as chrome mud flaps.</STRONG>
 

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Definately a horsepower loser.....

The intake ducting placement, by the factory, represents countless hours, not
to mention millions of dollars, of
engineering. Unless absolutely necessary,
this is not only a waste, but a detriment
to the proper running of air velocity/intake
manifold pressure regulations.
Good luck.
 

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Lets just say that for the horse power thing with restricred air flow. I had a Downey/K&N Super breather on before ai did this and to tell you the truth I could not tell any Difference. Second, as far as mud and dust go. The stock position of the breather would have collected more of that than this will. Third, Inside the fender there was not any MUD or DUST and this truck has been in both from TX to VA and it is not just a road hog. The fender was as clean as the enterior! Fourthly, You entry into water will always be deeper that when you level out and this just moved it further back so as I can enter without worries. As for the Safari which I do plan on going to in the future would and will collect more dut and rain than this make shift snorkle will!! As for other water proofing, Diff breathersand all electrical plugs have been siliconed, Who was it talking about exhaust? IT BLOWS OUT NOT IN!!!!!! And bye the way, Whats up with the rainbow thing?? <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

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it means i think your snorkle thing is gay!

yup a worth less P.O.S. about as usefull as chrome shocks. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by GETMRUTN:
<STRONG>Lets just say that for the horse power thing with restricred air flow. I had a Downey/K&N Super breather on before ai did this and to tell you the truth I could not tell any Difference.</STRONG>
All that means is that your butt makes a poor dyno - don't worry, everyone's isn't very good at measuring difference. It is a proven fact that it is harder to pull or push air through a longer smaller tube that a shorter, larger one, all else being equal - which it seldom is.

<STRONG>Second, as far as mud and dust go. The stock position of the breather would have collected more of that than this will.</STRONG>

I don't want to speak for CAMO here, but I think he was referring to the overall ability of the truck to ford streams and mud. Just hte snorkel is a a good step, but if your fan runs in the water, flexes and jams into the radiator, destroying it &/or the fan clutch, stranding the truck.

<STRONG> As for other water proofing, Diff breathersand all electrical plugs have been siliconed, Who was it talking about exhaust? IT BLOWS OUT NOT IN!!!!!![QB]

Yeah, 'specially when it stalls, or backfires, trying to start it with a bunch of water pressure making it hard to crank over. As long as it keeps running, you're right, the water shouldn't make it back in very far.


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Dude, relax, what dif does it make?
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Obviously some of the people on here have been out in the desert too long <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">

In some parts of the country, mud and water are a fact of life. You can't go 4wheelin' without them. And the factory placement of the air intake behind the headlight is just asking for trouble. On my '88 I made a similar half-snorkel that extended the air intake to the back-top of the engine bay, right next to the master cylinders. It helped a lot, there were several times that my headlights dunked and I didn't suck in water and mud like I would have with the stock setup.

Yes, many components don't like water and mud, but you just seal or vent them the best you can, and deal with it.
 

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Don't worry, I just like to watch yall get uptight so easy and that is all that it was intended for. I don't post much here as you can see, but most of the post turns out to see who knows the most and who the hell really gives a [email protected]*!!! I will stay with with what I have for now until the ARB goes on. Thanks! <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
 

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Some of us are not fortunate enough to have all the rocky places to wheel. If I were out there with yall then I would not worry about a snorkle! <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">
 

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that cool. if i lived where i had to traverse deep water i would build a water proof rig not slap on some <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> pvc pipe. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> and call it a submarine. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by GETMRUTN:
<STRONG>Don't worry, I just like to watch yall get uptight so easy and that is all that it was intended for. I don't post much here as you can see, but most of the post turns out to see who knows the most and who the hell really gives a [email protected]*!!! I will stay with with what I have for now until the ARB goes on. Thanks! <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
i run the same exact snorkle setup. it was worthless until i ran a vacuum line of the distributor and sealed the cap shut. of course your tranny and transfercases are totally exposed to taking on water way before the snorkle(through the shifter holes). the computer sits behind the glovebox now-simple fix. as for HP loss??? i dont see any. those arguements do make sense but i still pull all the hills on the interstates in third gear with 5.29's and 35's to the trails/camping/etc fine.

the stock intake sucks right out in front on the grill, so youve definitely helped out in dunking it in certain respects...

<IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> but it is dumb(gay) becuse i just replaced my computer, drained all the fluids out of the tranny motor, front diff, and transfer cases. the snorkle was useless... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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I happen to agree with the snorkel behind the outer fender being a bad idea. For myself, mine is PVC, but then, it looks like a safari snorkel, and vents all the way up to the roof.


As far as horsepower loss, I can certainly feel the performance drop versus the stock setup. That is, until I hit about 25MPH, and the forward-facing intake pushes air into the snorkel faster than the engine sucks it. After about 30, it actually feels noticeably better than the stock setup.

Down here in Memphis, most of the trails we run follow along the Wolf River. As such, mud and water crossings are a fact of life. I've gone through many water crossings where that snorkel would have drowned the rig.

Here's what I have done to waterproof my rig:
  • Both diffs, distributor, tranny and t-case vent into the snorkel.
  • Computer sealed completely shut with RTV silicone. Makes maintainence difficult, but it's removeable if you're determined enough.
  • Removeable drain plug in airbox to allow water to drain out during on-highway driving in rain.

The rest is maintainence. For your information, I had it stuck up bottoms of the seats for 2 hours, but it was going into a hole, so the headlights were underwater. I kept engine running, since it's the only way to keep water from entering through the exhaust, and the only components with water in them afterward were the tranny/tcase, and hubs.
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I like rocks, because when something breaks, you know it right away. Mud can suck my
. It's a silent killer.. it eats away at drum breaks, bearings, and hubs slowly and steadily.

After each trip (Pretty much every weekend) I hit everything with a grease gun, change the tranny & xfer oil if I find water in them, and service the hubs (pull off the face and clean & oil them). And I repack my wheel bearings about every month... since I ate the ones in the frontend within 2 weeks of the above mentioned stuck.

The top thing on my list now is to get an electric fan, since it's only a matter of time before I eat the radiator with the mechanical one.

Sorry bout the length, but I thought the voice of experience with water crossings would be appreciated.
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