I finally got out to do some wheeling this weekend and went and did a local trail we have up by Mullan. And of course every obstical that is a little hard is stacked like people were building a highway. I talked to a guy that was with the last group up the trail and he said they stacked and stacked instead of winching. If you cant make the obstical WINCH! This is about the only decent rock trail around and it is hard by no means so maybe you shouldnt be on the this trail if you have to build road to get up it. People who have built rigs want to go to a trail where they can challenge them self and rigs otherwise we would of just bought a stock Rubicon like so many of the rock stackers up here.