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I plan on running 38/12.50/15 TSL's and am going to run a coil set up. Anyone give me a list of boxes that would turn the tires easy and has a pitman arm in the front? I know scout boxes do, but they are obviously hard to come by. I also hear the trooper boxes do but I don't know anyone who has tried them. I think the fj60 boxes do but they are hard to come by as well. Any others that people have used? I don't want to run a toy box cause it will hit the coils unless I stick it way the hell out there and I don't want a box sitting out in front of the frame rails. I'm running highsteer on toy axles. thanks
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Not sure what's familiar about it frank cause you used the toy box and cut the pitman arm down which is just gunna shorten the throw and won't let the steering turn full lock to lock. So i'm lookin for other ideas. But thanks for your post cause your count just went up one.
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ECF said:
I plan on running 38/12.50/15 TSL's and am going to run a coil set up. Anyone give me a list of boxes that would turn the tires easy and has a pitman arm in the front? I know scout boxes do, but they are obviously hard to come by. I also hear the trooper boxes do but I don't know anyone who has tried them. I think the fj60 boxes do but they are hard to come by as well. Any others that people have used? I don't want to run a toy box cause it will hit the coils unless I stick it way the hell out there and I don't want a box sitting out in front of the frame rails. I'm running highsteer on toy axles. thanks
erik
you have already named all the good ones.
 

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Other possible donners worthy of mention either as parts or whole

Ford Ranger (small ones) small/cheezy but pitman faces ahead, mounts to insideof frame rail... I passed over this cause of frame room... and general smallness....

Astro Van, Saginaw box, BUT pitman faces forward, mounts to inside of frame. Pitman had funny bend so other arm would be needed or other work, OR possible swap of internals to other saginaw.

Im using a Mitz Montero box, pitman faces back, bolt on outside of frame with simple 4 hole mounting, very simmiler to TOY IFS, just likly to be more avaliable..... Also look at DOdge D50 mini ram also uses same box etc....

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call Matt at 804-353-1553
http://www.independent4x.com

Hes big in to this stuff, i may have somthing for a good price... If i remember right that box bolted on the inside and had a forward pitman and with a 3 bolt mounting... noteable fact, pitman has a good drop and is not a ball joint design like others, ie ream existing hole bigger.... I had this reseved as an optin if i needed more drop/less angle on the drag....

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don't forget that just because a pitman arm faces front or back doesn't immediately disqualify it from being usable.


the difficult part is actually how to determine this......

Celica box arm orientation starts life as forward facing, but has to have the new arm reversed in order to work.

There must be other boxes out there that have the same applicable qualifications right? But how the hell do you find out this kinda stuff?:confused:
 

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Sorry ECF

I didn't mean to imply that your question
was one that we have heard over, and over.

It is because I have tried to think of all the possible boxes
that could be used to accomplish close to the same as you.

That's all.
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ECF said:
I know scout boxes do, but they are obviously hard to come by.
Obviously hard to come by? Obviously you have not even tried to look. I had no problems finding mine. Infact, I found one at every junk yard I called that deals with such parts. all had a very fair price compared to the other popular boxes.

By the way, another possible doner is the F350 (or was it the 250?).

The Saginaw has many advantages over the Jap stuff.
1) They are cheaper. A lot cheaper!
2) They are stronger. Just look at that sector shaft!
3) Huge selection of pitman arms. (just about anything american made has a pitman arm that will fit any other Saginaw box.
4) Parts are easy to come by, and cheap. (If you should need any.)

Oh yeah, one more.. You can actually buy new steering linkages that fit. And with a little luck, turn big tires without the need for hydro boosting. Hell, you could probably buy a new one for less than a used FJ80 box!

-Wayne
 

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Well I guess I'll just keep checking around on the scout boxes then. Anyone got a write up on using them?
 

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the difficult part is actually how to determine this......
My short list came from my walk around my friends junk yard while visiting back home (NY) last summer....

I always carry a pen paper and my digi camera when i roam. That trip was specifiacally source a "usable" box for my application... Which i found... (i have general pics of all apps. i listed above i can post em if needed)

I agree 100% on the sag boxs, cheep easy to rebuild strong plentifuy, pitman options out the wazooo etc...
AND they can be had in different ratios, some performace cars had a constant ratio for better road feel vs the varaible rate on most luxury pass. car types, I dont know the specs off hand but any good GM rod page should list em out by applicaiton....

I'll ask my bro when i talk to him tonight... He up on all the roundy round parts...

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I think I'm gunna have to get a box that mounts on the inside of the frame rail cause I'm outboarding the coil springs to keep the vehicle low. Thanks anyway.
 

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I think I'm gunna have to get a box that mounts on the inside of the frame rail cause I'm outboarding the coil springs to keep the vehicle low. Thanks anyway.
Depending on how you have your radius arms arranged you can always move the coils behind the axle centerline - if the geometry allows - sit the coil right on top of the radius arm. I dunno if that will allow full turning radius with a narrow axle like a Toy though.

Just something to think about.

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ECF said:
I think I'm gunna have to get a box that mounts on the inside of the frame rail cause I'm outboarding the coil springs to keep the vehicle low. Thanks anyway.
You will probably be better off with one that has a rear facing pitman arm. Just keep a close eye on clearance issues. The boxes can really get in the way of many things depending on the design of the box. The key items to consider are you engine manifolds, radiator, shocks, springs. Also make sure you will be able to hook up to the steering shaft.

Each project will have its own considerations, and the big Saginaw may not be the right fit for many.

-Wayne
 
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