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I know that this has been discussed, but my reasoning for the swap is a little different.
I have a 40 for my wheeling, and the 89 runner is my daily.
All ball joints are junk. Front end is vibrating.
I have two spare mini truck axles. Truck is paid for and owes me nothing- so I think I should start to butcher it. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

From what I can tell, to do all of the ball joints and rebuild other IFS junk (that has 180K on it)or wheel bearings, etc would be more than the cost of the sas swap, and only slightly less time consuming.

If flex is not an issue, can I buy a crappy 4" kit form 4wph or something like that (roughly $300 shipped with shocks),built my own sas mount in front with the designs that I have seen here, and then just lengthen the shafts? Is $500 a reasonable thought or am I way off base?

I understand that the way to do it right is with the all pro kit, the alcans, hi steer, tom woods shafts....but this is mostly just a daily, and is getting tired.
 

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Having the front end crap going out is when I made the decition on the swap...
As for $500, yea, that's a little low, unless you got killer hook ups. If you have a complete axle assy. then that takes about $300+ off the top, you'll need to run landcruser rotors to keep the use of the IFS brake system $65+ If you can round up the springs and fab mounts, then that save alot $$$. steering, is I think the biggest expense you'll have, I think x-over is the only way to keep the IFS S-box. I DO NOT RECOMEND AT ALL fabing up x-over componits, but I've seen it done.

If you want to keep on budget, I do recomend building front spring packs out of 2 rear sets. If interested PM me and I'll give you the run down.

Oh, and at least $100+ on <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">

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and remember a quality front driveshaft will add about $280.00 to your costs-

i'd bet you'll be over $1500.00 to do it safely- with all the crap i put on mine, i had over $3000.00 in parts alone- mostly to All Pro and axle rebuilding/locker/gears.
 

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I THOUGHT I'd be right at a grand after I sell my IFS stuff, but I don't think it will happen. I've spent more on "might as well's" like dual cases, winch, etc. I'll just be happy to start/finish it.
 

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Steering alone could be $500...

Rebuilding the IFS has got to be cheaper and easier, although not nearly as interesting. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
 

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If you already have the front axle , I say about 1,000. But that is a thrifty person.

$50 per. pro comp wrangler rears = $100 + tax
Or even a junk yard set of springs $25 a piece.
$13 per. ford shock mounts = $ 26
(i went to the junk yard $13 for the pair, it's only two bolts a piece)
$600 (I can't remember) hi-steer x-over
= $600 + tax
Jeep hangers and a piece of box tubing, or fully fab it
= $25 or $0
Stock rear toy brake lines (double them up)
=? cheep
make the shackles =$ metal?
get a second hand all pro jig for the shackle mounts, or buy a new one =? $35
two pieces of tubing for frame =?
Misc nuts and bolts = ?
Driveline get it made or make a square one

That comes out to be less than 1000 but the question marks depend on the person. For example I get my metal for free so that wouldn't be an issue. Plus there is things that you might want to go $$ on like I myself would go steel braided b-lines, but this was a bare bones swap.
 

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Are there steering options? Like using the steering setup out of a mini?

Forgot about the beer budget.....
 

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Originally posted by rabid:
<STRONG>Are there steering options? Like using the steering setup out of a mini?

Forgot about the beer budget.....</STRONG>
Not unless you want to change the steering box to a pre-IFS unit. The above post is right, X-over is probably the most expensive part of the SAS, but it's worth it too.
 

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I think with mine from start to rolling(not nearly where I want)

$300=front axle
$150+=rebuild kit+spacers
$80=vented rotors+stud kit

Allpro kit=$1998
(-)spring hangers
(-)shock mounts
(+)rear purch to change pinion angle
(+)U-bolt flip kit
(+)rear springs

$170=rear drive retubed longer
$320=new front drive shaft

$500= 33" tires so it didn't look quite so stupid with 31's
I went 33 because I still haven't geared or locked it yet....
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on the flip side, I have a friend that did it for less then $250. Which was for an axle and springs from his brother....He made everything else...x-over arms...draglinks...spring hangers....

I personaly wont ride with him. So there's a correct way and a not-so-correct way...

[ 10-03-2001: Message edited by: 89YotaRunner ]

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Originally posted by Bones:
<STRONG>X-over is probably the most expensive part of the SAS, but it's worth it too.</STRONG>
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Crossover is the one thing I would want on both a daily driver and a trail rig. It keeps you from breaking offroad, and it actually goes where you point it without bumpsteer or freeplay on the street.

Personally, I have bumpsteer in my IFS steering (I've bent the damn thing all to hell, but that's another story...)</font>
 

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one you dont need to get the vented rotors if you have all the solid axle calipers and rotors... and you dont need the spacers

but for the love of god, don't skimp on shocks and steering
 

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Good points about the x-over.
I have seen some sketchy steering setups too, and since this is my daily driver, it would be stupid to skimp there.
I will have to see where my paychecks take me, but will have to do something soon, as the inspection is over this month, and it will not pass with the front end being as it is. Even if it did (a 12 pack can buy a sticker), I think I should get something done for safety's sake.

Thanks guys.
 

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A lot depends on how much you can do yourself. Actual cost on mine was $640. But I collect parts all the time that I was able to use to do it cheap. I bought Hysteer arms and All pro front springs. Everything else I did or had.
 

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Originally posted by Bones:
<STRONG>I THOUGHT I'd be right at a grand after I sell my IFS stuff, but I don't think it will happen. I've spent more on "might as well's" like dual cases, winch, etc. I'll just be happy to start/finish it.</STRONG>
heheheh...no doubt brutha!

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I should be finishing my SAS this weekend. I swapped in a D44, which may have been a little more expensive, but steering was definitely the biggest chunk, I went with a custom tie rod and drag link that use F350 ends, so now my Toy pitamn arm is probably the weakest part, but I plan on reinforcing that. Luckily I had a buddy who was willing to do the fab work for me, which saved a lot of stress and looks a hell of a lot better than I could have done. All together, I'll have over $2k into it, including gears, etc., but I feel that it was money better spent than repairing and maintaining my IFS. Good luck!
 

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Hell I am a cheepo. i made my own front mounts outa 2x2 tube and some 1/4 plate, got the all-pro mounts for the 50$ shackles on 50$ waggy springs. Another 250 for low steer x-over arm then rockstomper rockrod draglink under100$, your stock lower bar stays the way it is. forgot the drilled pitman arm off the ifs box, like50? all-pro did mine. I think you have a cutter and a welder and all the axle parts so..... 500 to just drive down the road? jessy makes killer d-lines at highangle and the rest comes $x$
 
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