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Savvy/Currie/SFR KOH Stock Class Jeep Teaser

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Everyone keeps bugging me about what we're doing for KOH this year, and now that the Jeep is in my shop I guess I can show you a little.

Highlights:
It's an LJ
It'll be on 35" tires
It'll be running a lot of products from Savvy Offroad and Currie Enterprises
It will have a lot of SFR fab work
It's gonna go fast. :flipoff2:

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When I tuned that rig on the lakebed for 2013, it had an exhaust leak - do you know if that was fixed? It was causing it to hunt for an idle (surge) and die sometimes. Surge is a lean condition. Lean can cause a hp loss.

Also I think it was a 376/525, not a 480?

4502 had a solid ~600 hp motor in it. With a crap tune it put 330hp at the ground - 400, Atlas, 9", 5.13's and 37's. I say crap tune, because it couldn't even drive off the rollers without backfiring after he was done.... Not sure what it would do after I fixed their f'ups. I put the tune I had in it before the dyno session back in and it ran like a champ again.
Gerald said it is the 480. It sounds to me like the HOT cam and not the ASA cam. No exhaust leak that I can detect. I believe Gerald fixed that.

From what I have been able to research about the LS HOT cam, is that they tend to have a lot of idle surge and it is hard to tune out. What has been your experience? Not sure why there would be a lot of tuning problems with the HOT cam in that the durations are very mild and the 0.525 lift is less than the stock LS3 cam. Maybe it is the 112 LSA? Pretty sure the LS HOT cam is not the optimal cam for an LS3 since it was designed originally for the LS1 and the LS3 heads have a lot different flow characteristics and it has 29 more cubic inches. The ASA cam seems to be even a worse choice as it losses a lot of low end torque compared to the HOT cam.
Dyno's are for tuning. Numbers mean nothing unless you are comparing before and after adjustments.
Gerald said it is the 480. It sounds to me like the HOT cam and not the ASA cam. No exhaust leak that I can detect. I believe Gerald fixed that.

From what I have been able to research about the LS HOT cam, is that they tend to have a lot of idle surge and it is hard to tune out. What has been your experience? Not sure why there would be a lot of tuning problems with the HOT cam in that the durations are very mild and the 0.525 lift is less than the stock LS3 cam. Maybe it is the 112 LSA? Pretty sure the LS HOT cam is not the optimal cam for an LS3 since it was designed originally for the LS1 and the LS3 heads have a lot different flow characteristics and it has 29 more cubic inches. The ASA cam seems to be even a worse choice as it losses a lot of low end torque compared to the HOT cam.
Speed density?
Dyno's are for tuning. Numbers mean nothing unless you are comparing before and after adjustments.
And swinging dicks on the Internet.
I'd be doing something with suspension before I added more power. Don't know about the 3700 class shock rules. But 3" won't fly in the mod class.
Gerald said it is the 480. It sounds to me like the HOT cam and not the ASA cam. No exhaust leak that I can detect. I believe Gerald fixed that.

From what I have been able to research about the LS HOT cam, is that they tend to have a lot of idle surge and it is hard to tune out. What has been your experience? Not sure why there would be a lot of tuning problems with the HOT cam in that the durations are very mild and the 0.525 lift is less than the stock LS3 cam. Maybe it is the 112 LSA? Pretty sure the LS HOT cam is not the optimal cam for an LS3 since it was designed originally for the LS1 and the LS3 heads have a lot different flow characteristics and it has 29 more cubic inches. The ASA cam seems to be even a worse choice as it losses a lot of low end torque compared to the HOT cam.
Maybe. Could have sworn he said it was the 525 though. I have it logged in my files as the 525 as well. I can't tell by the tune if it's 480 or 525, though...

With the race prep and maintenance they did, I'm sure it was fixed. As soon as I mentioned that it acted like an exhaust leak, he knew exactly where it was coming from. I bet it was fixed that weekend ;) But it was making it run lean, which was making it pour more fuel to it, which was causing their poor MPG's.

I've tuned about 25 LS376/480's and none of them had an idle issue before or after I tuned it. All of them were great running motors. Good idle and throttle response.
I'd be doing something with suspension before I added more power. Don't know about the 3700 class shock rules. But 3" won't fly in the mod class.
Thanks for the clue on 3 inch. You are absolutely right about working on the suspension.

How much travel are you getting?
Try this on the 480.

Need to adjust the MAST air flow sensor. Rotate it a little and see how it idles. We found that out on the 4500 car. By changing the position of air flow sensor really changed the performance and idle.
Thanks for the clue on 3 inch. You are absolutely right about working on the suspension.

How much travel are you getting?
I was able to get 16" in the front and 15" in the rear.
I was able to get 16" in the front and 15" in the rear.
Is that total? What is the up/down?
Try this on the 480.

Need to adjust the MAST air flow sensor. Rotate it a little and see how it idles. We found that out on the 4500 car. By changing the position of air flow sensor really changed the performance and idle.
Thanks Gerald. Will give it a try.
I was able to get 16" in the front and 15" in the rear.
Those are great numbers. I'll go through the 50 pages of your build and see if I can copy any of what you did.

Also, I'll look at Jesse's (Haines) build IIRC he got 16" in the rear.
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