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Been trying to figure out something to do after work and to occupy my hands so I'm looking for some guidance.

Most of my hobbies I'm unable to do on weekdays due to my work schedule so I figured a bike could be built in an apartment and get me into exercising a bit more.

What brands are recommended? Trek and Yeti seem to stand out the most from my research, with Niner and Giant right behind them.

I'd prefer a full suspension bike.

I'd like to keep the frame set below $1k, preferably below $700-$800.

I'm ok with a last year model, used, etc as long as it's in good condition. Any good online stores/forums to look at?

Tire size, not a huge fan of the 29" (too bling looking for me) so thinking 26-27.5".
 

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Generally it always cheaper to buy a complete bike versus a frame only unless you buy used parts. All the major brands (trek, specialized giant, Santa Cruz, yeti) work fine. They all have different geometry so you should ride some to make sure it's what you want. Couple questions below to help.

How much total do you want to spend including parts?

How much travel?

New or used?

State or the art technology?


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Generally it always cheaper to buy a complete bike versus a frame only unless you buy used parts. All the major brands (trek, specialized giant, Santa Cruz, yeti) work fine. They all have different geometry so you should ride some to make sure it's what you want. Couple questions below to help.

How much total do you want to spend including parts? Nothing overboard, probably $2k but my plan is for an on-going project so if it's spread out over a few months, a bit more is ok

How much travel? Haven't even gotten that far in my research. I come from a motocross background, so at some point i'll plan on using the bike as intended

New or used? Doesn't matter, just don't want to buy someones junk

State or the art technology? Doesn't matter, but I don't want to buy a 15 year old frame that's worn out
 

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Your budget will buy a FS bike so shitty you won't enjoy it. It will either be so old that modern parts won't fit on it, the geometry will suck, components will suck. Or it'll be a wal mart type bike with shit components.



For $700 to $800 I would look for a used hard tail. Unless you're taking big drops, you don't need FS.

You live in Louisiana. I'd just build a rigid single speed to start out with. I twould keep the cost down. You can always upgrade to a suspension fork. Gulf coast roots can be killer and way harsh then some of the rocky trails out west. When you decide you want a fancy full travel bike, you'll be a machine and you'll be in the sport to know what you like or don't like. I have about $800 in my rigid SS 29er and it's super fun. I can post my full build (lots of stuff used or on Craigslist, but frame was $200 new from On One).

Don't buy a yeti they're piles of shit. That bike company is just a marketing scheme. They try to reinvent the wheel all the time and then charge a premium for stupid shit thus people think they're awesome. Lots of Niners have frame issues. Some of the newer bikes have proprietary shit I'm not a fan of. Stick to the basics: 104bcd crank, 100/135mm hubs, threaded bottom brackets, try to find a frame that will take a tapered fork, 29/26/27.5 whatever you like.
 

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Your budget will buy a FS bike so shitty you won't enjoy it. It will either be so old that modern parts won't fit on it, the geometry will suck, components will suck. Or it'll be a wal mart type bike with shit components.


For $700 to $800 I would look for a used hard tail. Unless you're taking big drops, you don't need FS.

You live in Louisiana. I'd just build a rigid single speed to start out with. I twould keep the cost down. You can always upgrade to a suspension fork. Gulf coast roots can be killer and way harsh then some of the rocky trails out west. When you decide you want a fancy full travel bike, you'll be a machine and you'll be in the sport to know what you like or don't like. I have about $800 in my rigid SS 29er and it's super fun. I can post my full build (lots of stuff used or on Craigslist, but frame was $200 new from On One).

Don't buy a yeti they're piles of shit. That bike company is just a marketing scheme. They try to reinvent the wheel all the time and then charge a premium for stupid shit thus people think they're awesome. Lots of Niners have frame issues. Some of the newer bikes have proprietary shit I'm not a fan of. Stick to the basics: 104bcd crank, 100/135mm hubs, threaded bottom brackets, try to find a frame that will take a tapered fork, 29/26/27.5 whatever you like.
If 2K's not reasonable, how much would you think would get a nice bike? I definitely don't need over the top or want to go crazy, but I don't like owning crap either.

I'm only in LA for 12 months and I'll be moving outta here, I'd prefer to have a bike I can use any where.

What brands would you recommend sticking with? I've been trying to find previous year framesets, since they seem to be at a pretty significant price cut, not really finding too much for Trek. Craigslist doesn't seem to have much, and none of the MB forums i've found have had much activity in classifieds.
 

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Your budget will buy a FS bike so shitty you won't enjoy it. It will either be so old that modern parts won't fit on it, the geometry will suck, components will suck. Or it'll be a wal mart type bike with shit components.



For $700 to $800 I would look for a used hard tail. Unless you're taking big drops, you don't need FS.

You live in Louisiana. I'd just build a rigid single speed to start out with. I twould keep the cost down. You can always upgrade to a suspension fork. Gulf coast roots can be killer and way harsh then some of the rocky trails out west. When you decide you want a fancy full travel bike, you'll be a machine and you'll be in the sport to know what you like or don't like. I have about $800 in my rigid SS 29er and it's super fun. I can post my full build (lots of stuff used or on Craigslist, but frame was $200 new from On One).

Don't buy a yeti they're piles of shit. That bike company is just a marketing scheme. They try to reinvent the wheel all the time and then charge a premium for stupid shit thus people think they're awesome. Lots of Niners have frame issues. Some of the newer bikes have proprietary shit I'm not a fan of. Stick to the basics: 104bcd crank, 100/135mm hubs, threaded bottom brackets, try to find a frame that will take a tapered fork, 29/26/27.5 whatever you like.

Seriously dude, shut the fuck up with this nonsense. First off, yeti makes nice bike with a good suspension design. Second. For $2k you can get a nice used bike. For $800 you can get a two year old frame that has current technology. I'll be selling my Bronson at the end of the season for $3k and it was a $10k build new at the beginning of the season and its less than a year old.
Third, you'd want a 12x142 rear end. Makes a big difference and it's generally the standard now. Give me a break with that 135 bullshit.

OP, if you don't have super gnarly terrain, look into something in the 120-130 travel range and you'll be happy. If a FS has a good linkage design and the suspension is set up correctly you'll be faster than on a hard tail or rigid bike. Not to mention a lot less beat up after a ride.

You want to be a hipster? Get a rigid single speed.



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Seems like you're better off just buying new out here in CO. Seems like used shit goes for just a couple hundred bucks less than you could buy the same or similar new.
 

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Seriously dude, shut the fuck up with this nonsense. First off, yeti makes nice bike with a good suspension design. Second. For $2k you can get a nice used bike. For $800 you can get a two year old frame that has current technology. I'll be selling my Bronson at the end of the season for $3k and it was a $10k build new at the beginning of the season and its less than a year old.
Third, you'd want a 12x142 rear end. Makes a big difference and it's generally the standard now. Give me a break with that 135 bullshit.

OP, if you don't have super gnarly terrain, look into something in the 120-130 travel range and you'll be happy. If a FS has a good linkage design and the suspension is set up correctly you'll be faster than on a hard tail or rigid bike. Not to mention a lot less beat up after a ride.

You want to be a hipster? Get a rigid single speed.



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Seriously dude. Shut the fuck up with this nonsense. I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome you think you are.

Ah PBB and the "Your advice is wrong!"


I can't think of anything else to call something, so I will call this forum hipster. Bronsons are hipsters.12x142 hubs are for hipsters. 135 are for hipster. Carbon is for hipsters. Steels is for hipsters. 120-130 travel bikes are for hipsters. 27.5 is soo hipster. Someone who thinks their bike is better than someone else's is hipster. 26, 27.5, 700, 29, 650B whoever thinks that size is good is hipsters. Hipsters try to act like they know more about bikes than other people on the internet. Hipsters think it's cooler to build a bike over buying one. Hipsters think that buying a bike is cooler than building one. People who ride too fast are hipsters, they frustrate other hipsters who aren't as fast. Hipsters argue on the internet with people about bikes. Hipsters try to act smug and denounce other people's opinion on what is fun to ride. Hipsters give too many fucks.

If I wanted to read shit like this I'd spend time on mtbr slapping dicks instead of riding.
 

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Seriously dude. Shut the fuck up with this nonsense. I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome you think you are.

Ah PBB and the "Your advice is wrong!"


I can't think of anything else to call something, so I will call this forum hipster. Bronsons are hipsters.12x142 hubs are for hipsters. 135 are for hipster. Carbon is for hipsters. Steels is for hipsters. 120-130 travel bikes are for hipsters. 27.5 is soo hipster. Someone who thinks their bike is better than someone else's is hipster. 26, 27.5, 700, 29, 650B whoever thinks that size is good is hipsters. Hipsters try to act like they know more about bikes than other people on the internet. Hipsters think it's cooler to build a bike over buying one. Hipsters think that buying a bike is cooler than building one. People who ride too fast are hipsters, they frustrate other hipsters who aren't as fast. Hipsters argue on the internet with people about bikes. Hipsters try to act smug and denounce other people's opinion on what is fun to ride. Hipsters give too many fucks.

If I wanted to read shit like this I'd spend time on mtbr slapping dicks instead of riding.
Who pee'd in your Cheerios?

i can't afford a new bike and skinny jeans so can we please get back on topic. :flipoff2:
 

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If 2K's not reasonable, how much would you think would get a nice bike? I definitely don't need over the top or want to go crazy, but I don't like owning crap either.

I'm only in LA for 12 months and I'll be moving outta here, I'd prefer to have a bike I can use any where.

What brands would you recommend sticking with? I've been trying to find previous year framesets, since they seem to be at a pretty significant price cut, not really finding too much for Trek. Craigslist doesn't seem to have much, and none of the MB forums i've found have had much activity in classifieds.
It kind of depends on where you like. Like mentioned, some places like CO used is REALLY expensive. Not really sure why because there's so many bikes here. Maybe it's because so many people are upgrading to high dollar bikes and want tons of money for their old ones. I see craigslist all the time people wanting 15 year old shit for $1500. These are asking prices, I have no idea if people actually sell shit at that price.

Sometimes, with newer stuff, it's cheaper to buy new than build with new parts. The bike companies get massive discounts by buying huge amounts of stuff for their production runs.

Your first post was kinda off because you just gave a budget for the frame. Not total budget. Some people get too into frames and not into components. For example on my FS, I think I have about as much money in my wheelset than my frame. My fork was more than my frame.

If you build vs buy, when looking for a frame, try to find something that can take modern components. That way you can buy/find newer components and swap them into a newer frame or nicer frame. So you'd want tapered headset capacity (the newer fork technology is kinda fading out straight taper and 26"). 27.5 is cool, but there's not as much used stuff out there as 29 or even 26. 26 is still a good platform but since it's "not cool" anymore some of the newer forks aren't coming out in 26. But on the good side you can find good 26 frames, wheels, etc. for cheap.

If you have a slim budget, I'd just find a 26". People are giving that shit away. 27.5 is barely bigger. It's not exactly in between 26/29. It's closer to 26. But with a stupid huge premium.

There's a million different ways to go. It's like getting on PBB and asking what 4x4 to build, buy, whatever. Part of it is your ability/skillset, part of it is how much money you want to spend, part of it is your terrain, reliability vs weight vs performance vs. maintenance, etc.

Or you could spend $10,000 on a 27.5" Bronson so you can talk about it on the internet. That's what all the hipsters do.
 

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Anyone bought from here?
MTB FRAMES

Prices seem extremely good on a couple of the frames.

Edit: and apparently complete bikes as well.
PricePoint also usually has decent frames cheap. That's where I got my last frame. Was a few years old but like 60% off. Chain Reaction Cycles is another place that sells NOS stuff cheap.

pinkbike classifieds is also a good place to find used stuff. There's a frame section. I've never had a problem buying or selling used stuff that site. One could call it the PBB of mountain bikes. But it is definitely full of 16 year old flatbillers.


Niner Rip 9 Rockshox Revelation RCT Set

That's not bad at all. For what all you get for $800. I can't remember exactly what Niner frames had cracking issues. Many of the frame cracks I've seen on bikes regardless of bikes usually have to do with the rear shock giving out and then linkage all slamming the tubes. Thi scould either be from not running enough air, poor maintenance, etc. Not always the frame's fault. That's one good thing about buying a used Turner frame. Turner will give $600 towards a new frame if your frame is destroyed no questions asked. So if you buy an old Turner frame it's kind of like a $600 deductible insurance. Problem is new Turner frames are $2k easy.

20mm front axle is kinda old but pretty much all the hubs can be converted by changing the end caps.

There's a Jet with fork for almost the same price, but I'd go with the Rip.

If you like 27.5 and hate 29 three's an older 26" Ibis Mojo frame. Personally I first found 29ers weird and took me a while to get used to the handling. But once I did, I liked it and now my fiance rides my 26" FS bike.
 

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Look. I am definitely not trying to be better than anyone else. I am trying to give real world advise that works for the majority of people.

Rigid bikes are not good for 98% of the people out there. Rigid single speed is not good for 99% of the people out there if it's your only bike.

I would absolutely agree to get a bike with a taper head tube if you want to upgrade anything in the next few years. Straight steerers are getting phased out.

26" is again getting phased out and if you want to upgrade in a few years don't get 26 because you'll have very little options

And I didn't spend 10k on my bike, that's the retail price for the build.


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OP,
Look at pinkbike for some used bikes/frames. You can usually get them for lower than list price.

What size are you? Either height or frame size. I usually know a couple of people selling something nice.


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6' 1"

I'll keep looking PinkBike to see what I can find.
You're definately a large. Sometimes people that height run an XL. Depends on your arm/leg/torso length. I'm 6'1" and I ride a large, but some of my buddies the same height ride an XL. I prefer a smaller frame, some of my friends prefer a larger frame.



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26+ :flipoff2:

Get cheap 26" wheels and run 26x3.0 tires with a 27.5 fork. :flipoff2:

Another one is Titus El Guapo. They're stupid cheap from Planet X. They sell complete bikes cheaper than I can build one.

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FRTITELG29S/titus-el-guapo-29er-frame-with-rockshox-monarch-rt3-shock

http://www.planetx.co.uk/c/q/bikes/mountain-bikes

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/ZXCODEINE/on-one-codeine-frameset

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBTIRSSHDEO/titus-rockstar-shimano-deore-mountain-bike

OnOne/PlanetX is direct to consumer, so there's no dealer network which makes them cheaper.
 

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While I share your frustration with the apparent demise of the 26" wheel, I can't say enough good things about my Yeti, or the 12x142 rear axle.

I have an Sb66c for more technical/ aggressive riding, and my old Schwinn homegrown hardtail for railtrail riding at lunch.

I have a few inexpensive complete bikes for sale too... PM me.
 

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While I share your frustration with the apparent demise of the 26" wheel,
26" bead seat diameter is 22.01".

27.5" bead seat diameter is 22.99"

29er bead seat diameter is 24.49"

27.5, in my opinion, is just the same thing as 26" in a slightly different package. It's not dead in the middle between 26 and 29 like many think. It wasn't a total game changer and different beast like when 29 started becoming popular. It's damn near a 26". Everyone I know who rides 27.5 carries a 26" tube. That's how close they are. 29ers came out, and all the sudden 26" wasn't cool anymore. Bike companies couldn't sell 26" anymore. Everyone just shows up to the bike shop and want a 29er. But some people didn't like 29er. Some people are too short for a 29er to make sense (higher BB/COG). 29er wheels are usually weaker. So it's my belief this wheel was basically invented to get people to buy 26" all over again, but think they're buying something else. It's the hot new thing, people will buy it. Why did the industry take a 650B (650mm = 25.59") wheel and come up with 27.5? It makes no sense. Oh wait it does make sense. They called it 27.5" because that's (26+29)/2. Some people think they're simply buying "the middle". At the same time, I think one reason it came from the industry is because the designers were having a hard time making 29" work for big travel bikes (why we're now seeing all types of fucked up hubs, cranks, BB shells, etc). Compromise in the design was forced. That's also why 29ers really became popular with hard tails first. Designers are JUST NOW figuring out how to make FS 29ers not so fucked up. Also gain inches means 29er is harder to turn. i.e. a 32t chain ring in the front of a 26 is like a 30t in the front of a 29. People saw the benefit of a larger wheel. Makes some stuff easier. When I used to ride my 26" with my friends all on 29s I had to huck off stuff they could just roll off. So, the designers took the old French touring wheel and ran with it. Consumers have accepted it.

All my friends who hated 29 but liked 26 are now buying 27.5 because (outside of a few niche companies) that's what's out there. It's also not "cool" to buy a 26, but a 27.5 is "cool". I see it all the time at the trails "Oh man, you got one of them 27.5. Nice!". So for some people it's an excuse to get a new bike. There's plenty of people who will buy a brand new bike every year. N+1.

I agree that 26" is basically dead, but not from a rational standpoint. From a consumer standpoint. If the option is 29 vs a smaller wheel size, people are going to want the 'new' 27.5 instead of a 26. 27.5 isn't a 'third tier' it's the new second tier.

At the same time, with the advancement in the bike industry I don't think the new 27.5" bikes can really be compared to most 26" bikes because there aren't many currently being designed. So are these new fancy 27.5" bikes really better strictly because of the wheelsize or because of the design of the entire bike?
 
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