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with the help of crashinaz, we managed to discard the front SkyJacker packs(and 4 degree shims) and shove a set of 44044's(they cost $248 out the door here locally) with no shims and do a shackle to the front all in yesterday. Had a good feeling about how everything lined up just about perfect and all issues were properly addressed so had to take it out to Florence area to Ajax and flex it out. Had a big smile on my face at the end of the trail. You know all the rumors about how crappy the shackle in the front is supposed to be?....well, that's them....rumors. pics coming to my websites as soon as I edit/upload. These will be garage pics for now. Thanks Roger for the help.

[ 09-23-2001: Message edited by: ZUK ]
 

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You calling all these peopleliars??and you only have one trip, kinda hard to judge don't ya think. alot of these people will dissagree with you, so it's your opinion, please don't feed the rumor machine with your opinion as fact, it's your opinion and I respect that, just don't agree with it <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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You put the shackles at the front of the spring on a Toyota?

All I have to say is...it's about time somebody gave that a shot! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Can't wait to see the pics...
 

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You bet, Josh. I totally agree with ya...it's about time someone did this kinda thing. Here's a link to those pics http://www.dreamwater.com/zuk/sr.html . All welds and painting are not completely done yet as it is proto and I was not sure if I wanted to convert back to standard Toyota configuration. It looks like the shackle is gonna stay in front. On-road performance went up. No more diving when slamming brakes on hard. Strangely enough, tire wobble decreased. This is the same rig I used in the ARCA stuff last year but never could make the suspension work half right....I am going to the Farmington event this coming week as a spectator this time...when I get back I will post some nice pics of it rockcrawling out at Florence and Sycamore Creek. Zuk
 

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Originally posted by toy 4 rox:
<STRONG>what would be the advantage to all that work i do not understand explain.</STRONG>
Several notable advantages:

1. You no longer need a super-duper long travel front driveshaft since the pinion is not dropping 9 miles away from the Tcase - it actually points towards it when the axle droops.

2. You no longer have to worry about the tire moving rearwards into the fenders on compression - it will now move forwards, so no need to do tons of radical trimming to the front fenders and/or lower cab section.
 

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Originally posted by toy 4 rox:
<STRONG>what would be the advantage to all that work i do not understand explain.</STRONG>
read my link in my post click on "people", most jeepers do a reverseal to the way toys are stock <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
 

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Man, you beat me to the punch. I'm doing the same right now with toy rears in front. And my shackle is a little more forward to stretch the wheel base. I've also figured out a way to duplicate the "ramp effect" to use the hanger, or lack there of, to slide up a rock. But with the toy rears, I'll only have about 2-3 inches sticking past the tires with 35's.

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looks good. i haven't seen anyone do that before. so as i think another post said your tire doesn't hit the fender anymore? and how's the breaking? any difference? looks like it was a pain to weld outta normal postion. we are gonna start learning that at school soon! <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">
 

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What happens when you crash one of the springs into a rock? I bent one of my chevys last trip backing into a rock, Can't imagine having to worry aout the front doing that, it bent pretty easily.

don't the jeep guys have problems with this?
 

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toy 4 rox --first off, there was not really all that much work....certainly nothing very technical...if a fixed mount and a shackle are available then it's a matter of positioning the spring pack and welding. All done.
I "designed" my Yota to tackle the toughest of the toughest trails and obstacles. I also use it for my casual camping needs. I have an on-board wire feed welder and an AC source to power drills and grinders. This Yota does not get trailored. I recently drove it with 36" Swampers and 5.89 gears(and no doors) up to Moab and then over to St George for a pic shoot. I even have cruise control.
 

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Hey ZUK, you might want to watch that 2nd leaf. Since your 44044's don't have a military wrap, it's a hell of a hook hanging out there. The rear toy's I'm using have the wrap, and are 20.5" to the front vs. 22.5" . I've laid it out on CAD and should get up to 70 degrees approach angle straight on with a 35" actual diameter tire. Hopefully I'll have it standing on tires tonight and post some pics.
 

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BrianR - I like your spring choice with the shackle up front for several reasons. You may also find that in your case, a "missing link" type front shackle would yield amazing drop...

As for the shackle "hanging down", it would not hang down any further than say my drop shackle hanger does now...
 

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BrianR- thanks for the heads up...I was noticing that about the single wrap I have....I am thinking of making up some "booties" ....these would be best described as a 10~16 inch long piece of spring with a full wrap on its end....something that would slip over the front of my existing pack and has a loose clamp to keep it in place....kind of like a skid plate. Looking forward to your pics, too.
 

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scottz-I built up and wheeled a 91 YJ a couple years ago(see my webpage for scanned in covershot and article) and one of the things that I did not change was the shackle. It stayed up front and did see some rocks hitting it but damage was not severe. Most of the Big Dog Jeepers leave the shackle up front. I think I made a mistake using the term "shackle reversal" because a reversal on the Jeeps is 180 degrees different than a reversal on a Yota pick-up. Anyways, M.O.R.E. makes a rear shackle conversion for the Jeeps. As long as somebody buys them then MORE will keep marketing them.
 

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It's not finished yet, but it's starting to look better. I've stretched the wheel base on both ends. Figure this out, Allpro fronts on the rear, toyota rears on front. Buggy leaf and shackles to be put on rear next. Here's what I did to the front today.

<IMG width=480 height=360 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/reverse 1.jpg">

<IMG width=480 height=360 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/reverse 2.jpg">

<IMG width=480 height=360 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/reverse 3.jpg">
 

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:edit: this is addressed to Zuk

Looks great! I plan to do this someday but will go through the frame to get the longest shackle with minimal clearance issues. Also how well does that rear shackle setup work (the stabilizer bar thing)? if nothing else its interesting

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>BrianR - I like your spring choice with the shackle up front for several reasons. You may also find that in your case, a "missing link" type front shackle would yield amazing drop...

As for the shackle "hanging down", it would not hang down any further than say my drop shackle hanger does now...</STRONG>
whats a missing link shackle? ive never heard of that
 
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