just like my toyota comes from the factory <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> untill I can get him to sell the JEEP, he can at least try to get it to wheel as well as one <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">, J/K, I'm not trying to get him to sell itOriginally posted by rockbound:
<STRONG>Defffinatly do the shackle reversal. The benafits are not just for the street. Like the others said the increase in appraoch angle, as well as moving the axle forward. BUT the greatest benefit is the axle will know move freely over rocks they way it should.
For example. With the shackle in the front (normal mount) when the jeep approaches a rock or tree or whatever, the shackle has to move forward for the spring to compress thus causing the entire axle to move slightly forward as it compresses. When the tire comes in contact with the obsticle the tire wants to be pushed backwards as it climbs not forward.
If you do the reversal, the front axle will crawl over rocks and trees with a greater efficiency and smoother, less hop and bounce, Because for the spring to compress in a shackle reversal the shackle moves backwards along with the tire and axle as the spring compresses.
This is one of the greatest mods I did to my rig.
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Originally posted by JIM3030:
<STRONG>rockbound: maybe you wouldn"t brake all those axles if the tire could move backwords while climbing?????? what do you think?</STRONG>
Originally posted by JIM3030:
<STRONG>ok I just put the pipe down. it reads different now</STRONG>
Originally posted by Bob/CA:
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I am running 38.5's with no sheetmetal cut in the front. How many of you SR guys can say that?
Does not matter to me, but yes I cut.
And what about the driveline? As the axle drops, it pulls away from the TC. Then you will need a long travel driveline. Otherwise it will pull apart.
True.
As far as approach angle, the worst I have seen is on SR. That massive rigid mount in front.
That is a "kit" SR. If you look at my post, I stated that the best way to do this, and I should add, ONLY way I would recommend this is with a "Cut and Turn" on the knuckle and install the fixed end of the spring mounted flush with the frame.
That thing that hangs down is there to correct caster on SR kits that do are bolt on. I would not recommend that either.
And then what about the pitman arm/tie rod interference cause by moving the axle forward enough to clear 35" tires? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
I think that the original idea behind this was too force the tire into the object in order to get better traction. Which works quite well exceptfor the fact that stock Jeeps can't handle the things we want to climb.Originally posted by rockbound:
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For example. With the shackle in the front (normal mount) when the jeep approaches a rock or tree or whatever, the shackle has to move forward for the spring to compress thus causing the entire axle to move slightly forward as it compresses. When the tire comes in contact with the obsticle the tire wants to be pushed backwards as it climbs not forward.
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R U running the M.O.R.E high steer on a D30? How do you like it? I will recomend he goes reverseal <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Thaks to everyone for there thoughtsOriginally posted by Steve Sommer:
<STRONG>This has been debated on here a number of times and for what it's worth I've had the M.O.R.E. SR/Buggy Spring setup for about a year now and love it. It's on a SOA CJ-7 with 36"TSL's. Yes I had to trim the fenders, yes I had to buy a long travel driveline, and yes I had to re-do the steering. Fender's don't matter, I'm going to build flatties anyway. Steering didn't matter I put hi steer on. I was glad it works so well I need a long slip driveline! I just returned from Montrose where I ran with guys that had quarter eliptics, custom coil setups and everything in between. I seemed to get along as well as any of them and better than some. In the end it's personal preference like some others have said. My preference is the reversal.</STRONG>
Y'know, I haven't heard of anyone moving the rear springs' shackle to the front of the spring for this extra traction while climbing yet.. Why is that?Originally posted by SweetCJ7 aka. Allen Kurtz:
<STRONG>I think that the original idea behind this was too force the tire into the object in order to get better traction. Which works quite well exceptfor the fact that stock Jeeps can't handle the things we want to climb.</STRONG>
More ( www.mountainoffroad.com ) now sells a "stubby" mount srs system. It throws your caster off, but if you doing SOA/hi-steer at the same time, you can easily address that. Anyway, it looks real nice, the spring mounts hardly hang down at all.As far as approach angle, the worst I have seen is on SR. That massive rigid mount in front.