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are you running drop brackets?
did you drop the pitman arm?
did you lift the rear or solely relying on the bags for ride height?
Yes I have the drop brackets. Everything looks tight, I also replaced the pivot bushings. I have a 4" drop pitman arm and the TRE's on top of the knuckle. That got me pretty close to parallel with the beams. Technically this is 1" off parallel but the way Superlift had it was 2" off. I bought a new stock arm to put on if I switch to the 4" front springs. With the TRE flip I will still be 1" off.


I am running blocks in the rear. My stock springs still have a decent arch to them so I didn't think they were too worn out. The bags are adding about an inch of lift at 35psi. I also ordered a shorter block so I can keep the bags where I want them. and reduce the overall height.
 

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Excessive rebound or compression can make a ride stiff. Bouncy can be a result of a stiff or soft shock both. It sounds like your issue is float on compression, leading me to believe that you would like more compression. I built a f150 that rode nice with crazy amounts of compression. I’m amazed what a ttb will take.

The rebound just needs to control the spring. More spring rate requires more rebound. High rebound, high spring rate, minimal compression are common in passenger and performance cars, doesn’t translate well to trucks imo.
Thanks for the explanation. Remember though this is a dd and a utility trailer hauler. It is tall for what I am doing but trail performance is low on the list of priorities compared to street ability. I may have picked the wrong vehicle but overall I like it and at this point I want it to drive right just because I don't want it to win this battle. I am getting close, I know it can be better.
 

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throw the superlift kit in the garbage, add a coilover and a good shock for the rear.
I could be wrong but I don't think I will have to go that far. Fact is I should have done a sas but I was trying to keep it simple. The ttb isn't simple and I would have been money ahead if I would have went that direction I think. I am in it now so I will try to work it out or sell off parts and start over.
 

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Did you keep the sway bars? If you removed them, you can get a wallow type effect. Without the sway bars on my Explorer it would wallow all over the highway when I still had the TTB suspension. Sometimes, it would go into a death wallow until I either braked or accelerated.
 

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Did you keep the sway bars? If you removed them, you can get a wallow type effect. Without the sway bars on my Explorer it would wallow all over the highway when I still had the TTB suspension. Sometimes, it would go into a death wallow until I either braked or accelerated.
I have the factory front, it never had a rear bar.

have you assigned a dollar value to solving this problem?
A few dollars more and I will go back to the drawing board. I don't want to get in it much more at this point. A lot of people would be happy with the way it's driving.
 

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This ^

It's gonna be really hard to get a super short wheelbase twin tractor beam to ride and handle great with that much lift.
With that lift yes.

Having towed a 24' travel trailer with a Bronco down to Baja and back a few times, I would not recommend it. Taping the trailer brakes to stop the wag became second nature..........
 

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OP needs to grow a pair. It's not gonna handle like a car. Deal.

Everyone saying sway bars need to pull their heads out of their asses. Any sway bar stiff enough to keep something with 6" lift coils (have you seen the kinds of spring rates TTB lift coils have?) from being all over the road is going to seriously compromise handling in other ways.

short wheel base and beams make for some interesting handling, especially with a 6" superlift. not sure what to tell you other then make sure the steering angle matches the beam angle, ditch the airbags because im sure towing with that setup has to be sketchy as hell. i would also venture to say the kit is over sprung which isnt doing you any favors.
This is spot on.

Excessive rebound or compression can make a ride stiff. Bouncy can be a result of a stiff or soft shock both. It sounds like your issue is float on compression, leading me to believe that you would like more compression. I built a f150 that rode nice with crazy amounts of compression. I’m amazed what a ttb will take.

The rebound just needs to control the spring. More spring rate requires more rebound. High rebound, high spring rate, minimal compression are common in passenger and performance cars, doesn’t translate well to trucks imo.
I second all of this. TTB likes minimal rebound.

Did you keep the sway bars? If you removed them, you can get a wallow type effect. Without the sway bars on my Explorer it would wallow all over the highway when I still had the TTB suspension. Sometimes, it would go into a death wallow until I either braked or accelerated.
Something else is fucked. Most of my TTB vehicles didn't come with sway bars and I removed them from the rest. They don't have any sort of "wallow"
 

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OP needs to grow a pair. It's not gonna handle like a car. Deal.

It would be nice if it drove like a truck. I don't need a 70's Eldorado.

Everyone saying sway bars need to pull their heads out of their asses. Any sway bar stiff enough to keep something with 6" lift coils (have you seen the kinds of spring rates TTB lift coils have?) from being all over the road is going to seriously compromise handling in other ways.

Especially since it has the sway bar on it.



This is spot on.

Bags improved the handling for now and was far less sketchy towing than it was before. The steering angle is as close as it can get at the moment. There is very slight bump steer and it's magnified by the marsh mellows holding the front end up.. Oversprung as in too stiff? any softer would be wet noodles.

Superlift 6" coil 445lb free length 21.5"
Procomp 4" coil 475lb 18.750"
Stock 366lb 15.8"



I second all of this. TTB likes minimal rebound.

It has that now and it may love it, I don't.
 

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A few dollars more and I will go back to the drawing board. I don't want to get in it much more at this point. A lot of people would be happy with the way it's driving.
a pair of bolt in performance series shocks would be ideal, atleast then you could revalve them to get the ride quality you are after.

Bags improved the handling for now and was far less sketchy towing than it was before. The steering angle is as close as it can get at the moment. There is very slight bump steer and it's magnified by the marsh mellows holding the front end up.. Oversprung as in too stiff? any softer would be wet noodles.

Superlift 6" coil 445lb free length 21.5"
Procomp 4" coil 475lb 18.750"
Stock 366lb 15.8"
bags keep the ass end from sagging and keeps the steering happy, once the rear sags and the front droops you get some toe in and that creates the wandering. played that game once and it was uh, interesting to say the least. especially a crossed the expansion joints on the highway. what this also does is makes the front do all the work since the rear becomes 'stiff' even unloaded. good luck

fyi - on my coilovers im running a 169 combined rate (275/400)

The Bilteins are on the way I will update if they made it worse or better.
id cancel the order and call accutune
 

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If you did not know, off the shelf shocks for Bronco/F150 are valved different for single shock, or dual shock front ends, so make sure you buy correctly, I don't know how Bilstien makes their part numbers.
Ford also didn't put 2 shocks on the front end as a nice feature, you need more damping to control the TTB. While the Bilstien is a quality shock, I don't think 1 will do, you need to step up to a 2.5 inch shock or dual shocks if you want performance out of it.
 

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If you did not know, off the shelf shocks for Bronco/F150 are valved different for single shock, or dual shock front ends, so make sure you buy correctly, I don't know how Bilstien makes their part numbers.
Ford also didn't put 2 shocks on the front end as a nice feature, you need more damping to control the TTB. While the Bilstien is a quality shock, I don't think 1 will do, you need to step up to a 2.5 inch shock or dual shocks if you want performance out of it.
Ford put quad shocks on the Broncos and F150s that came with that option because it was the 80s and good shocks were few and far between so it was basically their "performance" option.

There's nothing special about the TTB that requires an extra shock.
 

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I second all of this. TTB likes minimal rebound.

It has that now and it may love it, I don't.
Where do you get the idea that you have minimal rebound now? You have shit twin tubes that are likely pretty high in rebound. All your complaints are about compression damping in the OP.
 

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a pair of bolt in performance series shocks would be ideal, atleast then you could revalve them to get the ride quality you are after.



bags keep the ass end from sagging and keeps the steering happy, once the rear sags and the front droops you get some toe in and that creates the wandering. played that game once and it was uh, interesting to say the least. especially a crossed the expansion joints on the highway. what this also does is makes the front do all the work since the rear becomes 'stiff' even unloaded. good luck
I would say the rear is over sprung at this point and it is unbalanced(I still prefer it to dragging my elbows going around corners:D)But it's not right yet, no doubt. I should be able to drop the bags down with the new shocks.

fyi - on my coilovers im running a 169 combined rate (275/400)

Good to know. Did you do upper mounts like this?





id cancel the order and call accutune
They are here and I am going to try them out. I may be totally wrong about this but I will post the results either way. These are night and day with the BDS shocks so good or bad it will be different.

If you did not know, off the shelf shocks for Bronco/F150 are valved different for single shock, or dual shock front ends, so make sure you buy correctly, I don't know how Bilstien makes their part numbers.
Ford also didn't put 2 shocks on the front end as a nice feature, you need more damping to control the TTB. While the Bilstien is a quality shock, I don't think 1 will do, you need to step up to a 2.5 inch shock or dual shocks if you want performance out of it.
I do know and that was really what the whole thread was about. The two sets of brand new shocks I have are so soft you can easily compress them by hand. I was concerned that meant they were actually for a 4 shock front end so I was trying to get verification my third set would be for a single shock per side setup. The new Bilsteins are way different than what I have. Good or bad we will see. I think they will allow me to drop the air bag pressure down and gain a little control of the springs.
 

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Where do you get the idea that you have minimal rebound now? You have shit twin tubes that are likely pretty high in rebound. All your complaints are about compression damping in the OP.
I could be ass backwards but my reason for thinking I have minimal rebound was that BDS shocks are weak and slow to rebound and the Bilsteins rebound quickly with authority on the bench anyway. I know that is a over simplification but that's it.
The Bilsteins were bought to address the compression damping. The BDS are also have very weak compression damping imo. I don't think the truck even knows there are shocks on it. After driving it about 50 miles today I am thinking it has more to do with the shocks than anything else.

Anyone want to buy some BDS nitro shocks? They are great. :D
I also have a set of Superlift shocks, never even opened the box.
 

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Ford put quad shocks on the Broncos and F150s that came with that option because it was the 80s and good shocks were few and far between so it was basically their "performance" option.

There's nothing special about the TTB that requires an extra shock.
So you agree?
Or you think the standard white box shocks that are still package with every lift kit are somehow different that the ones from the 80's?
White shocks are white shocks :)
 
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