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ya ya ya i've searched and read every single post

ok anyhow i've got 5in 1.5in longer all-pro's and a set of 44044's i'm curious what the spring rates for these 2 are, mainly i need to know which one is stiffer, the body roll on my 4runner is gonna get me killed one day, so i have got to stiffen it up some
 

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Don't worry about the spring rates, just cut the top off the 'runner. Less weight up high=less body roll. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Well, according to DRM's page the 44044's are 300lbs/in. and we all know they are very soft and flexy.

Interestingly, the Toy 3" springs are also rated at 300lbs/in. and if you've ever used them, you know they are stiff as hell and ride like crap.

I don't know whether AP has ever mentioned the spring rate on thier springs (not that I've ever seen anyway), but I'm curious too since I just picked up a set of used AP 4" springs (thanks, David!)h.

How 'bout it, Chris, what's the spring rate...?
Or at least do you think they are softer or stiffer than the 44044's?

My guess (and I'm hoping) is that the AP's are a tad stiffer than the Rancho's for better street-ability. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by The Beeb:
<STRONG>Well, according to DRM's page the 44044's are 300lbs/in. and we all know they are very soft and flexy.

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that seems way off! I'm pretty sure most of the YJ lift springs are rated less then that and ride alot stiffer on a yota.

Back to the topic I would have to say the 44044's are the weak link in your setup. Expecially with the large number of people who find the all-pro rears to be slightly ariffer then they would like (I beleive they are designed to still handle some load)
 

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Originally posted by Chris Geiger:
<STRONG>All Pro fronts are 300 lbs/in</STRONG>
well damn, so they're the same... WTF can i do to stiffen the SOB up, i got ANOTHER FAWKING fix it ticket for my body roll being "unsafe"
 

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Are you running a swaybar? The body roll on my 4Runner doubled when I pulled the swaybar off (IFS 4" lift & 33s) so I figure adding one to your truck would cut in in half.

It would take some hella-stiff springs to halve your body roll. HEY! Use some NWOR springs, and you won't have to worry about body roll any more!

Your bushings will last a lot longer too, since the suspension won't articulate <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></font>
 

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Originally posted by MasterYota:
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Are you running a swaybar? The body roll on my 4Runner doubled when I pulled the swaybar off (IFS 4" lift & 33s) so I figure adding one to your truck would cut in in half.

It would take some hella-stiff springs to halve your body roll. HEY! Use some NWOR springs, and you won't have to worry about body roll any more!

Your bushings will last a lot longer too, since the suspension won't articulate <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></font></STRONG>
<IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> your not help <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

ya i got 15 days to stiffen it "considerably"
 

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Originally posted by DSI:
<STRONG> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> You're no help <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

ya i got 15 days to stiffen it "considerably"</STRONG>
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Not help? Sure I am <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Given that you have 15 days to stiffen it "considerably"...

You only have two options:
  • Run NWOR leaves (It will take something at least as stiff as a facoty leaf to partially control the sway)
  • Install a swaybar, and getcha some disconnects.

If you think about it, anything you do to prevent body roll will also by it's very nature limit articulation. So whatever you do will need to be removeable when you get to the trail head. Which one would you rather do? Jack your truck up, and swap back to the 44044s, or leave the waggy's on it and pull a couple swaybar disconnect pins?

You're telling me that the Great DSI can't find a swaybar off an early 80's truck and fashion him some disconnects? I'm fairly sure that it would be easier than moving your spring/shackle hangers around on the frame to try out different springs <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Ladies and gentlemen of the Jury, I rest my case...</font>
 

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Or you could put an IFS on it... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

That's right ladies & gentlemen - he's back in 'not helping' mode again <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></font>
 

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Dave, go get a set of rear waggy springs, and use the leafs from those to help stiffen it up....
 

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Originally posted by MasterYota:
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Or you could put an IFS on it... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

That's right ladies & gentlemen - he's back in 'not helping' mode again <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></font></STRONG>
Hmmm, ok smart ass <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

i'm talking front springs only here... the rear's are fine (i hope) most all my sway and lean and roll is in the front so no hanger movement... and anyhow i've got an 82 with a crawler why would i want to wheel my 4runner anymore? it's teh tow rig now remember?
 

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Try installing a sway bar. I did. Every little bit helps. The thicker one you can find, the better. Drew had that aftermarket (what brand?) one on his when it was IFS and he seemed to love it. Same brand as the ones Gadget is using (the supercharger guy).

I'm going to be picking up one from a Tacoma for mine pretty soon- its probably thicker (stiffer) and will clear my driveshaft better. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> (thanks BigBabBob!)


BTW, ChrisG- Thanks for the info!

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I think that Drew was running an Addco sway bar. I don't know of anyone with a SAS running one of these though. What shocks are you running DSI? Maybe you could get some RS9000s and jack them up to five when you take your 'Runner to "Da Man". <IMG SRC="smilies/fj.gif" border="0">
 

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That's right- Addco.

From the pics he posted awhile back, it looked like it had a better bend in it than the stock bar too (similar to the Taco bar). At least it was symetrical anyway. The Taco bar still probably has the better bend though (for me anyway) since it is steeper and deeper to clear the rack and pinion steering & driveshaft.
 

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I have the same front springs as you and I'm running chevys in the rear. No sway bar and RS5000s at the corners. My truck is actually stiffer than my old IFS without a sway bar.
Body roll is definetly not a problem for me.

But anyway, I'd say try a sway bar. The swaybar made a world of difference on my stock height, IFS tacoma.
 

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get a sway bar.

my truck is stock. i made my own quick disconnects. i can get over stuff better then my friends with bigger tires and they also have ifs (ha ha they suck!) <IMG SRC="smilies/idea.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

i just made a cheap one for about $10. i bought some 1/2" treaded stock and bolts to match. i cut that stuff about 3 inches long on each side. i ground them flat and drilled a hole to match my pins. i put washers between the nuts and bushings. then i used some old 1" square tube stock and made it cut to fit between the bolts. i then drilled a hole on the top and bottom to match the ones on my treaded stuff. i bought two trailer type pins and put them in all the holes i drilled.

i just pull the pins and am a flexin! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

for $10 i can flex pretty good compared to how it was stock. <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">
 
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