State of the LR forum?
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I voted don't change.
It is a bit harsh from time to time and I know we foeigners get more slack, but for me it has community feel enough. I haven't checked cruzer-board, so don't know what I'm missing, but for me it's a near perfect mix of rant, flame, tech and gospel.
Tobias
It is a bit harsh from time to time and I know we foeigners get more slack, but for me it has community feel enough. I haven't checked cruzer-board, so don't know what I'm missing, but for me it's a near perfect mix of rant, flame, tech and gospel.
Tobias
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I'm a lurker as can be seen by the post count.. I love this board, love the tech - inspiring.. I have got to admit that a lot of guys get carved up for not doing the basic searches and this can make you reluctant to post - I've been in this position myself, done the searches and found things close to the problem but not quite, searched elsewhere like Outer Limits and found the answer so negated the flaming!! I love my Land Rovers - got a '92 Disco at the moment and have had several Series rigs prior to this (really miss them and need another..)
Thats my two cents..
John
Thats my two cents..
John
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I don't see the problem - search first ask later if you actually do post something interesting/worthwhile people will chime in and say - "yeah I really should try that" or "I have done that and this is what happened"
as you can see I have a *massive* post count I ususally lurk and only posted if I can see something that hasn't been said or not considered.
This touchy feely crap that "everyone" wants ??? who cares? get a thicker skin.
Tom
I don't see the problem - search first ask later if you actually do post something interesting/worthwhile people will chime in and say - "yeah I really should try that" or "I have done that and this is what happened"
as you can see I have a *massive* post count I ususally lurk and only posted if I can see something that hasn't been said or not considered.
This touchy feely crap that "everyone" wants ??? who cares? get a thicker skin.
Tom
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Personally I think that there is too much chit chat already and not enough tech.
I do think the flaming of newbies could be toned down a bit, but that is across all of pirate, not just here (although some of them really do deserve it).
I do think the flaming of newbies could be toned down a bit, but that is across all of pirate, not just here (although some of them really do deserve it).
Who says we have no community feel? (er, maybe that could have been reworded)
If folks step out of line, you find out about it.
New folks come in, look around. If they have what it takes, they stick around (example, Red Rhino who has proven himself worthy).
We don't have as much of the "what size tires can I fit" questions and that's fine.
Seems OK to me, although the activity has been drastically reduced of late, but it might just be the weather.
PT
If folks step out of line, you find out about it.
New folks come in, look around. If they have what it takes, they stick around (example, Red Rhino who has proven himself worthy).
We don't have as much of the "what size tires can I fit" questions and that's fine.
Seems OK to me, although the activity has been drastically reduced of late, but it might just be the weather.
PT
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I voted “I like it don’t change a thing”
Almost voted for "It's just OK, it just need a tune up" since there has been a rash of :rainbow: threads lately that have been a waste of time bandwidth and brain cells.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=333170
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=341263
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362131
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362856
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365566
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367580
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370614
Almost voted for "It's just OK, it just need a tune up" since there has been a rash of :rainbow: threads lately that have been a waste of time bandwidth and brain cells.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=333170
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=341263
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362131
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362856
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365566
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367580
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370614
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This board is just fine the way it is. If someone asks stupid questions, they hear about it. It keeps the chit-chat and crap to a minimum. And if you want to find some good info about original and trick ideas, this is the place to go.
And Lucas is dead-on. Those threads are all a waste of time with nothing worthwhile in any of them. Truck nuts? Please. Backing over Subaru’s? Whatever. I try to keep my mouth shut ‘cause I haven’t been here that long myself, but that guy drives me crazy. Rubber nuts on the back of your truck, double roll cages and 42”s with stock axles….
And Lucas is dead-on. Those threads are all a waste of time with nothing worthwhile in any of them. Truck nuts? Please. Backing over Subaru’s? Whatever. I try to keep my mouth shut ‘cause I haven’t been here that long myself, but that guy drives me crazy. Rubber nuts on the back of your truck, double roll cages and 42”s with stock axles….
I voted don,t change a thing. I am sure that guy came to us with prepurchase vehicle questions that did not merit an answer because it was to general a request. Why worry what one noobs crys about? He is prolly just kissing ass over at Toy headquarters to get some more prepurchase vehicle information without any specific questions or research on his own part.
I am alarmed that you would even start this poll based on some whiners post!
JP
I am alarmed that you would even start this poll based on some whiners post!
JP
I like it the way it is.
The reality is that even the less than hardcore questions are answered is the question is asked correctly.
I know I've come here with many questions that were less than difficult for most of you to answer. Ie, I think that if most of sense that the person posting the question is putting a good effort into trying to figure out the problem on their own but hit snag, everyone is willing to help out.
The problem exists with the first time posters, that haven't taken a second to look over the entire site and see the general setup of the forum....they see land rover forum and come straight here and post up a question. So when they catch a little static, they don't know how to deal with it.
Its also the "flights of fancy" posts. "I just bought a used rangie, and I want to sink a ton of money into it....what lift and tires are best, and what should I get for a brush bar?". The sort of question where you just know the person is a tire kicker...and won't likely get dirty modifiying their truck.
for the most part, I think it boils down to the poster....if someone comes in and asks a humble question...they get an answer. If they barge in like they own the place...they are more likely to get the attitude.
The reality is that even the less than hardcore questions are answered is the question is asked correctly.
I know I've come here with many questions that were less than difficult for most of you to answer. Ie, I think that if most of sense that the person posting the question is putting a good effort into trying to figure out the problem on their own but hit snag, everyone is willing to help out.
The problem exists with the first time posters, that haven't taken a second to look over the entire site and see the general setup of the forum....they see land rover forum and come straight here and post up a question. So when they catch a little static, they don't know how to deal with it.
Its also the "flights of fancy" posts. "I just bought a used rangie, and I want to sink a ton of money into it....what lift and tires are best, and what should I get for a brush bar?". The sort of question where you just know the person is a tire kicker...and won't likely get dirty modifiying their truck.
for the most part, I think it boils down to the poster....if someone comes in and asks a humble question...they get an answer. If they barge in like they own the place...they are more likely to get the attitude.
You can start throwin the rocks at me. I made that statement over on the Cruiser board. No I dont have any pre purchase questions and my comment was not refering to tech. There was a post on the Cruiser site about "chit chat". I said that the Cruiser board has more of a community feel to it. Kind of like sitting around a campfire talking about wheeling. The LR board does not put up with the same type of chit chat as they do and thats fine, I can do that elswhere. I come here for tech. O got flamed early on in my Pirate days and dont post much but I do take alot from this board. As far as tech goes this site cannot be beat. The Land Rover community is small compared to most and just dont see the point in eating our own. As I told Old Scout in a PM, I will contribute more when I get a little more greese under my nails. Until then I am happy to donate to the cause because I have taken so much from it.
See you on the trail.
Kevin
Old Scout can post my PM to him if he feels it would help.
See you on the trail.
Kevin
Old Scout can post my PM to him if he feels it would help.
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It sucks
It sucks, like all the other LR boards. Might as well call this d-90 list or disco web. The problem with your poll Old Scout is that alot of the original guys on this forum have gone away, because they cant stand reading about how to install a factory sub on a D-90, or "Im new to LRs, I just bought a disco to drive to and from the opera, how do i fit 40" tires" I know several guys that have left because its all gone to soft. Mainly due to Pendys I will help everyone attitude. Gawd Pendy sucks.
Anyway, I am not opposed to helping a noob now and then, noobs are what keep these boards alive, but why dumb ourselves down to speak their language, when they should speak ours, so to speak.
It sucks, like all the other LR boards. Might as well call this d-90 list or disco web. The problem with your poll Old Scout is that alot of the original guys on this forum have gone away, because they cant stand reading about how to install a factory sub on a D-90, or "Im new to LRs, I just bought a disco to drive to and from the opera, how do i fit 40" tires" I know several guys that have left because its all gone to soft. Mainly due to Pendys I will help everyone attitude. Gawd Pendy sucks.
Anyway, I am not opposed to helping a noob now and then, noobs are what keep these boards alive, but why dumb ourselves down to speak their language, when they should speak ours, so to speak.
warning - long post
I think there are only a handful of people really that are building rock crawlers out of rovers that actually live up to the promise of the board, and many of them have left the building now for some time. What we have left is a pool of folks who are more into trails and not so much rock crawling, which puts the implied meaning of PBB and the general flavor of the forum at odds.
A lot of the flaming was an effort to keep out the riff-raff to retain or otherwise attract the more hardcore folks who are innovating on the rover platform and have something to share and that the rest of us could learn from. now that many of them don't post much anymore, the LR forum doesn't have much in the way of a direction or theme, certainly none that strongly distinguishes it from other rover forums, other than being abusive.
as far as newbies go, I think the demographic of most of them
puts the means in their hands to common upgrades via bolt-ons from vendors rather than looking for ways to fabricate or otherwise bastardize some other non-standard part for the same job. This creates a special challenge for the forum. the same could be said for the croozer board I guess, but we all know they're :rainbow: and that this is tolerable under the right circumstances over there :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: (just kiddin' guys
)
I'd like to see more general tech getting posted up that's initiated by the DIY'er who has chosen to fabricate something rather than bolt-on, even if it's a bit repetitive. We don't boast the breadth of experience in fabrication engineers and other people with technical background that the other forums do, but folks do tend to want to do things for themselves here.
What distinguishes pirate is the tendency to innovate with something new or experimental over bolting on what is percieved to be the best upgrade for some component. If folks aren't experimenting with variations on a theme, the board's going to just be stale. This process is needed to beget conversation that puts into question what the best value is for upgrading specific components for those who have more of a "wait and see" attitude, which i think is healthy. In short, it separates the wheat from the chaffe. the toy diff threads are a great example of this process.
There is a trend here where we're attracting more folks who have heavily modified vehicles and are more into the rover-esque theme of doing more with less. What I liked about the rover in the first place was that I could run trails with comparitively smaller tires than most yota's were running on the same venues. 33's and lockers are seeming to be a pretty adequate upgrade for me, even though this is barely wheelable in the eyes of most PBB'ers. we don't have but maybe 3-4 spots in all of WA state that could be considered rock-crawling areas, so I've leaned towards having a well rounded rig for trails. I feel there are a lot of folks in this boat that get kind of turned off of PBB but are, none-the-less, capable of posting up good content. If the only active members here are the hardcore rock-crawlers, membership and content is going to be low, and most of the web traffic would just be lurkers trying to avoid work. that isn't community - it's a 4x4 porn site. sure porn is good in small quantities to stimulate ideas, but the daily realities for most of us preclude this as a lifestyle :flipoff2:
We're fortunate to have rover mechanics on the board here that like to wheel and modify stuff for both clients and themselves. And the folks with engineering backgrounds that are here are very active in the rover community - as both individuals and vendors. All of these folks are a great asset to the board, and they'd be sorely missed if they stopped posting.
As for our "friend" from Florida, his posts have made me realize that perhaps those folks are a juuuuust a little different. I find this link to be very helpful with that issue.
cheers,
-isaac
I think there are only a handful of people really that are building rock crawlers out of rovers that actually live up to the promise of the board, and many of them have left the building now for some time. What we have left is a pool of folks who are more into trails and not so much rock crawling, which puts the implied meaning of PBB and the general flavor of the forum at odds.
A lot of the flaming was an effort to keep out the riff-raff to retain or otherwise attract the more hardcore folks who are innovating on the rover platform and have something to share and that the rest of us could learn from. now that many of them don't post much anymore, the LR forum doesn't have much in the way of a direction or theme, certainly none that strongly distinguishes it from other rover forums, other than being abusive.
as far as newbies go, I think the demographic of most of them
puts the means in their hands to common upgrades via bolt-ons from vendors rather than looking for ways to fabricate or otherwise bastardize some other non-standard part for the same job. This creates a special challenge for the forum. the same could be said for the croozer board I guess, but we all know they're :rainbow: and that this is tolerable under the right circumstances over there :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: (just kiddin' guys
) I'd like to see more general tech getting posted up that's initiated by the DIY'er who has chosen to fabricate something rather than bolt-on, even if it's a bit repetitive. We don't boast the breadth of experience in fabrication engineers and other people with technical background that the other forums do, but folks do tend to want to do things for themselves here.
What distinguishes pirate is the tendency to innovate with something new or experimental over bolting on what is percieved to be the best upgrade for some component. If folks aren't experimenting with variations on a theme, the board's going to just be stale. This process is needed to beget conversation that puts into question what the best value is for upgrading specific components for those who have more of a "wait and see" attitude, which i think is healthy. In short, it separates the wheat from the chaffe. the toy diff threads are a great example of this process.
There is a trend here where we're attracting more folks who have heavily modified vehicles and are more into the rover-esque theme of doing more with less. What I liked about the rover in the first place was that I could run trails with comparitively smaller tires than most yota's were running on the same venues. 33's and lockers are seeming to be a pretty adequate upgrade for me, even though this is barely wheelable in the eyes of most PBB'ers. we don't have but maybe 3-4 spots in all of WA state that could be considered rock-crawling areas, so I've leaned towards having a well rounded rig for trails. I feel there are a lot of folks in this boat that get kind of turned off of PBB but are, none-the-less, capable of posting up good content. If the only active members here are the hardcore rock-crawlers, membership and content is going to be low, and most of the web traffic would just be lurkers trying to avoid work. that isn't community - it's a 4x4 porn site. sure porn is good in small quantities to stimulate ideas, but the daily realities for most of us preclude this as a lifestyle :flipoff2:
We're fortunate to have rover mechanics on the board here that like to wheel and modify stuff for both clients and themselves. And the folks with engineering backgrounds that are here are very active in the rover community - as both individuals and vendors. All of these folks are a great asset to the board, and they'd be sorely missed if they stopped posting.
As for our "friend" from Florida, his posts have made me realize that perhaps those folks are a juuuuust a little different. I find this link to be very helpful with that issue.
cheers,
-isaac
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Anyway, I am not opposed to helping a noob now and then, noobs are what keep these boards alive, but why dumb ourselves down to speak their language, when they should speak ours, so to speak. >>
because this thought process is elitist bullshit - it's why this forum started to suck in the first place. nobody wanted to post because they weren't trying to figure out how to put 38's on their rig to crawl flat trails in the midwest. if the hard-core really are this clubby, then maybe you need a private forum like the discoweb dorks. i think alot of people take this shit a little too seriously - there's no middle ground for some of ya - the whining gets tiring <yawn>
Anyway, I am not opposed to helping a noob now and then, noobs are what keep these boards alive, but why dumb ourselves down to speak their language, when they should speak ours, so to speak. >>
because this thought process is elitist bullshit - it's why this forum started to suck in the first place. nobody wanted to post because they weren't trying to figure out how to put 38's on their rig to crawl flat trails in the midwest. if the hard-core really are this clubby, then maybe you need a private forum like the discoweb dorks.
i think alot of people take this shit a little too seriously - there's no middle ground for some of ya - the whining gets tiring <yawn>
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[1st timer speaking]sachilles said:
I rather downloaded all the threads I liked in the past and I keep on reading the rocket science now...
It's gonna take centuries before I'll have something to ask I can't find in the old posts so I'll stay quiet for a while...20 or 30 yrs I think...
Only thing I could help with would be a forum logo
:grinpimp:
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Percent Tech. posts 2 years ago - about 80%
Percent Tech. posts now - about 25%
Hardcore rockcrawling guys left that frequent the forum - less than 10
Something is wrong with this picture.
I don't belong here anymore. No more flames incoming for asking what high end stereo system will work in your Defender.
See ya
Billster <---- elitist bastard
ps. I will still check in now and then
ps2. Being a multiple Cruiser owner, I can tell ya no other "faction" of offroaders has the same sense of community and cohesion that the Cruiser owners do. Nothing you can do about it except envy it.
Percent Tech. posts now - about 25%
Hardcore rockcrawling guys left that frequent the forum - less than 10
Something is wrong with this picture.
I don't belong here anymore. No more flames incoming for asking what high end stereo system will work in your Defender.
See ya
Billster <---- elitist bastard
ps. I will still check in now and then
ps2. Being a multiple Cruiser owner, I can tell ya no other "faction" of offroaders has the same sense of community and cohesion that the Cruiser owners do. Nothing you can do about it except envy it.
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