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I have been searching and trying to find the best way to go about this, I have to replace my timing chain guides for sure and I know to get the metal backed guides, no question there, but when it comes to the chain itself, I'm at a loss. I just replaced the chain and guides about a year ago (went cheap with the plastic guides) but there is only about 15K miles on the chain......my question is, do you think I will need to replace the chain or just the guides, will the chain have stretched out already since there's not that many miles on it?? If I do need to replace the chain should I go OEM, DOA, LC doublechain conv., or what?? Thanks in advance for any help
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replace it all, if the guides broke the chain probably stretched. besides, why go to all that work just to do it again later. a good chain (not the cheapo you bought :flipoff2: ) should last a good 90,000 miles.
 

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Thanks for the replies and I figured I might as well do the chain also but then my question becomes....should I do OEM chain w/DOA metal Guides, DOA chain w/their Metal guides, or spend the extra money and do the whole LC double chain conversion...I plan on keeping this rig for a LONG time and am not planning any motor swaps......
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another problem is the tensioner itself.. Most of the cheapys use a plated shaft on the tensioner and the plateing starts to flake off and they bleed off real quick and don't pump up as fast wich makes it rattle on start up too.. Get a quality kit.. I like the ones from http://www.engnbldr.com/

kit come with a steel backed guide on one side and it seems to be a decent kit
 

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Get the metal guides or make them and an O.S.K. timing kit. All the components are made in Japan, just like your Toyota was to start with.
 

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go with the LC dual chain
Is this kit REALLY worth the extra $ ?? Pat, the only thing I'm hesitant about with the engnbldr.com kit is only one metal guide....
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the other side hardly ever breaks.. that side of the chain never has slack in it.. For the money it is a good kit.. I would not spend 450.00 for a duel kit .. something is wrong with that as far as I am concerned.. And to buy a kit from Doa Is what ???200.00??? Sounds to me if you get a quality kit for a decent price it is the way to go for me.. I don't mind changing the chain every 125,000 miles... Hell I never keep a rig 25,000 miles:D
 

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Well maybe I'll see how much the OEM kit is since I can get it at cost (I work at Central 4 wheel drive) and then compare that price w/the DOA guides to the engnbldr kit.......Oh and Pat, I wouldn't mind changing the chain every 125K miles either but when I just had it done about 15K miles ago and it's already out again....there's a problem!!
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With engnbldr's kit and always running a factory/napa gold filter you wouldn't have to worry about it for a very long time. Been running an engnbldr.com kit for about 50k and the guides are barely grooved.
 

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Oh and Pat, I wouldn't mind changing the chain every 125K miles either but when I just had it done about 15K miles ago and it's already out again....there's a problem!!
Jeff

thats what I am saying about a Quality Kit;) you buy crap you get crap
 

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I think the LCE kit is well worth it... probably one of their 'less expensive' items.... When you consider all that you get (chain, guides, tensioner, oil pump, water pump, new cover), and the fact that it will probably go 250k+ before it needs attention, it's a no brainer. Do the math.
 

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My Math says ..... $60 to $75 bucks for a good single chain kit every 125,000 miles... equels $150.00 for 250,000 miles.. oh wait.. $30 for a water pump.. so that puts me at $180,,,, well i will just round it to $200.00:flipoff2:
 

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The way I see it is,, If some ones is going to keep there truck forever and they don't want to ever work on it,,, and the timing cover needs replacement and the water pump was bad.. then it is a no brainer.. it is a nice Kit
 

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The way I see it is,, If some ones is going to keep there truck forever and they don't want to ever work on it,,, and the timing cover needs replacement and the water pump was bad.. then it is a no brainer.. it is a nice Kit
Well my water pump is only about 5 months old, I don't know if I need the timing cover yet but I do plan on keeping this rig for a VERY LONG time......hmmmm......decisions, decisions......
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Since you get OEM at cost I bet an OEM kit but using DOA or Engnbldr guides would be the best value.

I went with DOA guides with an aftermarket kit almost 3 yrs ago and everything is still great.
 

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Those cheap aftermarket water pumps are not worth MY time

Spend the money on OEM for sure
 

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I'll second my original suggestion of the O.S.K. kit w/ DOA guides or make your own. EVERY piece is made in Japan, including the plastic guides that come in the kit. I got 75k out of the last kit without the metal guides, and it's all still there. Pulled it to rebuild and replaced again w/ OSK and DOA guides. I think the quality of the kit is as close to OEM as you're gonna get aftermarket, and I'm a firm believer in factory parts... but the dealer I went to at the time would only sell the timing parts seperately, totalling over $650.00.

The only way I'd go with that dual row LC kit is if I was building a badass 22re stroker or something... then it'd still be cheaper to go 3.4, 4.3, or threefitty.
 

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I called today and got my price on OEM parts, and yes they are all sold seperatly, not as a kit and it still came to like $300 at my cost..... :rolleyes: I think I just may go O.S.K. w/ Doa guides and be done with it.......
Thanks for all the help and opinions.....
Jeff
 
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