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I'm looking for a tow rig to pull my YJ to the trails, and since I love the Chevy drivetrain that I swapped into the Jeep, I figure, why not go with a Chevy tow rig?

Well, money's tight, but I can get my hands on a 84 K5 Blazer cheap, but here's the bad news... Twin 10 bolt axles.

Here's what I was thinking:

I can get my hands on a dually Corp 14 bolt fairly cheap (NOBODY wants them) and I should be able to find a matching 8 lug 10 bolt or Dana44 front. That should handle the grunt work (350 and 700R4 combo already, so 4.10's or 4.56's should be OK gearing)

Here's where I get a little crazy. Since it's one of those Blazers that has the removable rear area, I figured I should be able to get a 5th wheel hookup in place of the rear seat with the top off. All the weight will be right over the rear wheels, they will be duals and it should be every bit as stable as a small over-the road tractor trailer rig with this setup.

What do you think? Am I totally insane?!?! What would be potential problems? I figure brakes should be just fine with the 14 bolt rear and trailer brakes. I plan on only pulling my Jeep behind it on a single spot gooseneck trailer.

Anything else I should consider? I figure all of this should be do-able for about $2000 (not counting the trailer).

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Originally posted by ManglerYROC Z:
<STRONG>Am I totally insane?</STRONG>
Yes. Buy a pickup.

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Don't go ragging those 10 bolts. I had a 89 K5 blazer that I pulled a 6 place Snowmobile trailer almost every weekend for 2 seasons and did not have any problems. 10 bolts suck if you are going with big tires but for hauling a jeep around you are fine.
 

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Originally posted by pcorssmit:
<STRONG>Yes. Buy a pickup.

Pete</STRONG>
Have you seen what they want for a pickup in North Carolina? It's outrageous. This Blazer is decently priced, though.

Anyway, what is your reasoning for saying buy a pickup? Wheelbase? That's really the only thing that separates a Blazer from a pickup, at least from what I can tell.

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Originally posted by ManglerYROC Z:
<STRONG>Have you seen what they want for a pickup in North Carolina? It's outrageous. This Blazer is decently priced, though.

Anyway, what is your reasoning for saying buy a pickup? Wheelbase? That's really the only thing that separates a Blazer from a pickup, at least from what I can tell.

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[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: ManglerYROC Z ]</STRONG>

Yeah wheel base. Get a pick up. I pulled my rig with my "Bronco" (yeah yeah I know) and fawkin hated it!! Then I got my 97 X-cab 4x4 GMC and it tows awesome. Pulling with a blazer would be about the same. And putting a 5th wheel setup in there wouldn't be worth the problems that it would bring.

Find a truck that has a blown rear end or something and swap in the Dually rear end you are talking about. You will be WAY happier with that setup. (Especially towing in the winter time!) <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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1. Wheelbase. No way around it.

2. Are you planning to make a rear cab wall, or only tow in nice weather?

3. I think the BBC would be to short.

4. You'd be overweight if you have much tongue weight.

5. Plan on spending $ on that 700R if it hasn't had a good rebuild, updating from the original specs.

6. Your rig would be featured on www.beaterz.com.


If you really want the Blazer, tow the Jeep on a normal car trailer and take it easy. I've towed the same trailer with my Blazer (when it was stock), and then with our Sub, and there is a big difference. Neither one of them tows as nice as my ex. cab long box, though.

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Originally posted by pcorssmit:
<STRONG>1. Wheelbase. No way around it.

2. Are you planning to make a rear cab wall, or only tow in nice weather?

3. I think the BBC would be to short.

4. You'd be overweight if you have much tongue weight.

5. Plan on spending $ on that 700R if it hasn't had a good rebuild, updating from the original specs.

6. Your rig would be featured on www.beaterz.com.


If you really want the Blazer, tow the Jeep on a normal car trailer and take it easy. I've towed the same trailer with my Blazer (when it was stock), and then with our Sub, and there is a big difference. Neither one of them tows as nice as my ex. cab long box, though.

Pete</STRONG>

It's always nice weather in Charlotte!!! LOL

Anyway, I trust your advice and will most likely end up getting the Blazer and towing a tag-along trailer behind it (flat towing the Jeep until I can afford the trailer). I just haven't seen any pickups that are in my price range that don't need thousands of dollars of work right off the bat.

I have my eye out for one, though...

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the wheelbase thing would be the worst problem, the longer your tow rig is, the more stable it is, up to a certain limit obviously, but pulling my jeep with a 1/2 ton reg. cab short box compared to a friends 3/4 ton long wheel base ext cab makes a HUGE difference, the trailer doesn't pull it side to side near as bad, just nut up and make a road trip to louisiana or texas and u can pick up an old 3/4 chevy for CHEAP, we just sold a 3/4 w/ a 454 for $1000
 

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use a proper heavy duty hitch on it and I can't see a problem, heck we once flat towed my flatfender down a highway with a vw bus and it towed fine. hook the hitch in as close to the wheels as possible to minimize leverage and all that. yeah 10 bolts are ok for light duty but really there is no such thing as a tow rig that is too tough.
 

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You could always buy my truck.....

Stay with the longer concept....you'll be much happier with the results while towing........others have spoken wise words above....


Follow their lead....heavy axles, long truck, very strong engine, good gears=good towing :D
 

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i would not buy the blazer if you are planning on towing....i have towed my friends 70 bronco and my 72 blazer behind my 88 blazer and it is not fun....about top speed i can go is 45 without the trailer starting to whip like crazy...flat towing you would be alright but i wouldent even bother if you are planning on gettin a trailer to tow with....get a suburban or a truck or something else with a longer wheel base...
 

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Hell just come out here to Ca I will sell ya a 74 with a 383 new trans new 35's for $2,500:D
oh yea its a lon bed too
 

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Well I have to agree with all said... either a Burb or a Pickup with a th400 tranny would be a much better selection. Also you know what motor is in the Blazer? If it is a 305 I doubt you could haul much more then a sack of potatoes (carburated 305's suck). If you tow with the Blazer definetly get a weight distributing setup as I hear it will really help.
 

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Tow

I've never played with a really short rig with a gooseneck, I doubt anyone has! But I've done some bumper towing with my K5 and the trailer type had a lot to do with it, as well as how it was set up. I hauled my parents boat several times one summer (about 4K#) and it was fine and stable up to about 70mph, which worked out OK. It had a 14 bolt rear, D range tires, 383/TH700 and 4.56's. Not so sure about that setup in bad weather.
I also tried towing my stock car one time on the 1/2T gear and C range tires, it was pretty hairy, we ended up running about 40mph tops.
At one point we towed the stock car behind my dad's 1-ton single cab dually and then behind a buddies ford 3/4T longbed. Both are pretty good tow rigs, should be stable, long wheelbase, good tires, etc. but the single rear wheel truck was downright dangerous if the car wasn't loaded in precisely the right spot, and then we didn't trust it much. Behind the dually you could load it anywhere and never know the trailer was there.
I see a couple of problems with the K5 as a tow rig, some of the above mentioned stuff is valid, GVW legality issues, wheelbase, TH700 beef, motor choices etc. and you also have to consider the frame isn't built to take much load. It might be easier just to start with a longbed truck or maybe do your chopped conversion to a 3/4T sub?
 

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I like WB when towing, too.

However, I don't think WB is as critical when you're talking about a gooseneck setup. It would certainly be a "redneck" thing to do, but it probably wouldn't be too bad.

Definitely want to upgrade the rear springs when you put the dually rear in - would you also be putting on dually flare-sides to go with it?

Doesn't the Blazer use a (shortened) pickup frame? What are the differences between the 1/2T and 3/4T pickup frames?

A good H- under the gooseneck plate would probably support the weight. Get a "hide-a-ball" setup and you could probably just "fold n' tumble" the rear seat forward, install the ball, and haul away.

A tag-along would be a lot more "interesting" when towing.

I've put about 10k miles on a lifted Scout II (100" WB) flat-towing another modified SII with almost zero problems.

I have NOT tried it with my car trailer though - The D44s just are not up to the load.

I stepped up to an IH Travelall (think 'Burban) for towing a year ago. 119" WB, but still only a 1/2T with D44s front/rear. After a few scary death-defying attempts at towing, I finally got the combo fairly stable and towing wasn't *too* bad. It was always a compromise though - load the rig too far forward on the trailer and risk the semi-float '44 bearings going up in smoke, or load the rig too far back, and start whipping around.

It was doable, but I still had to WORK to tow.

Then I found a bigger IH (Yeah, I'm an IH nut..)

Bought a 1Ton crew-cab long-box SRW. Same tag-along trailer, same Scout on it.. it doesn't care how I orient the rig on the trailer, or how much tongue weight I put on it.

It just goes. No tail-wagging-the-dog. No wander. No "bouncing" when I hit a bump in the road. My headlights don't light up low-flying aircraft.

All in all, I think just about ANYONE could handle my tow-rig and trailer now (aside from the very heavy clutch pedal).

I put a Chevy 3/4T long-box on the trailer and towed it 60 miles.. not a problem then, either.

After using the 1T 4-door, I can't imagine going back to my Travelall for tow-duty. I might, at least once more.. there's a race in February, and the Travelall is 4x4, while the crewcab is still 2wd. I made an exception since it was a nice, straight, long-bed crewcab tonner.. and I can convert it over to 4x4 when I get the time. :D

-Tom
 
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