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has anyone heard of this mag and if so how can i get a copy of it?
 

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Originally posted by GearMan:
<STRONG>has anyone heard of this mag and if so how can i get a copy of it?</STRONG>
Join the Toyota Land Cruiser Association. I'm not a member yet but I do have a few trails mags. The mags are nice, good info.

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What a waste... I was a member since 1997, dropped it this year. The only benefit was the bi-monthly magazine, but they waste to much in there on junk articles IMHO.
 

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>What a waste...</STRONG>
It's really too bad that you feel this way. Every Toyota truck fanatic should automatically subscribe to this group, and enjoy the excellent articles in the Toyota Trails. Many of them are Cruiser-related, but they are getting good coverage on mini-trucks now, as the Cruiser guys earn respect for them on the trail. This is a magazine that is put together primarily by volunteers, and is a damned fine publication. Hey David, perhaps since you know everything now, maybe you should consider writing some articles. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Even if it weren't for the TT mag, you can get some good discounts from many of the TLCA sponsoring vendors, I've already paid for several years of renewals in the future thanks to the savings on the parts I've bought.

A strong membership in TLCA proves to Toyota marketing that there is a healthy following of these older vehicles, and they are now starting to participate in some of the more popular events. Who knows, maybe they'll start listening when we ask for features in their trucks?
 

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With all due respect, I gave it 4 years and stillwas not impressed.

I have bought maybe $20 worth of Tyota dealership parts in that time, so any discout is worthless to me.

Toyota Trails' best feature is their SWEET cover shots and good layout, but the wated time and ink on that Brother Andy crap as well as the outdated-by-2-months classified section is just slace that could be used to showcase vehicles, as well as tech articles.

It has it's good points, but $25+ a year for 6 magazines is just not worth it IMHO...
 

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A strong membership in TLCA proves to Toyota marketing that there is a healthy following of these older vehicles, and they are now starting to participate in some of the more popular events. Who knows, maybe they'll start listening when we ask for features in their trucks?[/QB]
<IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Ya Right!!! like Toyota would do somthing to upset the serria cluber's and eco-freak's that buy all the Toyota cars <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">
Just Like Honda with their dirtbikes
 

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I just joined up in TLCA, they are a good bunch of people. I joined mostly because of the local club the Pacific Mountain Cruisers, who are awesome with help in parts location and trail runs. The mag is pretty good, as already mentioned the cover shots are sick. I have already paid for my membership in parts discounts, and it 25% off parts at Freeman toyota-big plus. I recommend that you check it out.

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>Toyota Trails' best feature is their SWEET cover shots and good layout, but the wated time and ink on that Brother Andy crap as well as the outdated-by-2-months classified section is just slace that could be used to showcase vehicles, as well as tech articles.</STRONG>
How long ago did you say you were a member? I can't remember the last Brother Andy article in the Trails. As for the classified section, it only takes up 2 or 3 pages of a 60+ page magazine. The 2 vehicles I have called about were still for sale, but didn't work out for one reason or the other. So, in my experience, the ads have not been out of date. Maybe your experience has been different.

Another benefit of TLCA is that you get to attend TLCA sanctioned events like GSMTR. I realize that you (DRM) don't go to GSMTR due to other obligations generally, but I'd hardly call a TLCA membership a "waste" just because you seem to be one of the few people who thinks the magazine sucks and the discount is worthless.

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my dad drives a FJ-40, and he bacame a member of the club. i look foward to reading the articles every month. (even if they are not about mini-trucks or 4runners, they are still about Toyotas) I would much rather read that than some crap about a cromed out full size chevy with 44's and open diffs (common article found in half the mags on the news stand).

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Originally posted by rock toy 4 me:
<STRONG>my dad drives a FJ-40, and he bacame a member of the club. i look foward to reading the articles every month. (even if they are not about mini-trucks or 4runners, they are still about Toyotas) I would much rather read that than some crap about a cromed out full size chevy with 44's and open diffs (common article found in half the mags on the news stand).

just my .02</STRONG>
I couldn't agree more with that... some magazines out there just don't understand that people like us don't wanna see a truck with four steering-stabalizers and 50 shocks!!...
 

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I became a new member a few months back, and have recieved two of the mags already.
I like them, and I too, prefere the articles in there over the other non Toy related stuff in the store bought mags.
Besides, they have some mean Toyota shirts <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
Picked up two of the Henly LC ones.
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Well, I guess after a while you just grow out of the "Toyota only" thing and it gets real old... Sue me <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>What a waste... I was a member since 1997, dropped it this year. The only benefit was the bi-monthly magazine, but they waste to much in there on junk articles IMHO.</STRONG>
Sad attitude. BTW, all you have to do is submit an article that you think is better and it will probably get published. As stated above, the articles are whitten by guys like me...volunteers. So step up to the plate or keep your pie hole shut. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by wngrog:
<STRONG>Sad attitude. BTW, all you have to do is submit an article that you think is better and it will probably get published. As stated above, the articles are whitten by guys like me...volunteers. So step up to the plate or keep your pie hole shut. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
So? Some of you need to step back and wake up. I simply said the organization offered no benefit to ME. Stop your <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> and see that for what it is.

TLCA is IMHO a waste. Most of themw are stuck so far up a cruiser's tailpipe that they can't see straight and the fumes are getting to them.

Me write an article? Where did I ever complain about the articles? Again - wake up.

The Toyota Trails admittedly was the ONLY reason I comtinued to be a member after that first year. The organization itself is USELESS as far as I am concerned. I send my money and all I get is a magazine.

As for the discount - I don't shop at the dealer for parts, and 20% off a 200% inflated dealer price is still TOO HIGH.

So what does TLCA do for our sport? They are not organized like United, as far as I know they don't work with Toyota to lobby for our interests...

Please enlighten me, just what do they do? I'll gladly renew my membership, just point out something besides an overpriced magazine and overpriced dealer discounts...
 

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I tried attending the STLCA meetings here in Nashville... and honestly the elitist "Toyota" and "Cruiser" attitude made me sick. I don't wsnt to ride or hang out with just those people who happen to have the same vehicle drand on the grill... BORING!

And as I said, the considtent inaction of TLCA on a national level in our sport is what is "sad". <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
 

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he he he

Gearman, I just signed up - you supposed to be in it or something? If it is an upcoming issue I'll get it to ya..
 

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As the new Story Editor, I am biased, but I think Toyota Trails is a damn good magazine considering it's put together by five people in different parts of the continent (one in Cedar City, Utah, one in British Columbia, Canada, one in Palmerston, Alaska, one in Denver, CO and myself in Herndon, Virginia) on a shoestring budget, and that depends almost exclusively on the contributions of volunteers like you.
Yes, there have been errors in the past (I for one never really liked the BA stuff, but others loved it) and there is a LOT of room for improvement, but considering the lame coverage of Toyota vehicles on most of the commercial 4x4 rags (though, I have to point out, 4WD&SU does a pretty good job), Toyota Trails is a good venue for information exchange.

I do want to clarify that the $25 you mentioned is NOT the subscription rate, but rather a year membership in the Toyota Land Cruiser Association, and this encompasses not only the six issues of Toyota Trails, but also the opportunity to attend TLCA events, and *most importantly*, substantial discounts from a series of vendors. While some of you may not buy enough OEM parts to justify it, the discounts I've gotten every year have more than paid for the membership. And yes, before you ask, I pay membership dues and get my TT in the mail like everyone else.

Another point I'd like to make is that Toyota Trails is not technically a *magazine*, but rather the newsletter of the TLCA. As such, it's got to cover all issues involving Land Cruisers, from restorations to club activities to land use issues, it can't be all technical articles, even though some of us would like it that way. Still, I think we do a decent job of keeping it varied, and if we're failing, then help us out rather than jumping ship, send us your pictures and your articles, they will be well received.

I'd like to see more tech articles on Toyota Trails, too, and I *really* want to see more mini-truck coverage. But without people's contributions, we can have neither, it's not like the TLCA has a budget to send us to an event to cover it. There are a lot of extremely technical people involved with serious projects on this BBB, and I for one would love to see some contributions from you.

Finally, it's not about *excluding* other brands and makes, it's about giving people with Toyota 4x4 vehicles a dedicated source of information. Most of us wheel with all kinds of vehicles, but it's nice to have a resource for information that's actually well-researched and well-presented, not like the lame, rehashed and often erroneous stuff you see on the big commercial 4x4 rags.

As always, feel free to contact me directly if you have any constructive criticism or productive comments, we're always willing to help you out, and I'm hoping to use my tenure as Story Editor (which starts with the Jan/Feb 2002 issue) to bring new ideas and more technical articles into the magazine's content.

Thanks for the bandwidth!

Henry Cubillan
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Henry, I appreciate your coments.

As I have already said - the ONLy benefit I saw from the TLCA was the newsletter/magazine. Without that, I would have dropped my membership after the first year.

Concering the comments I made about "elitist" - I am sorry if you think it is different, but i am telling you what I have seen and experienced from TLCA member clubs. I am sure that is not the intention, but I recall TLCA and some member clubs in a squabble when some of the member clubs were still holding cruiser ONLY rides that were supposedly TLCA sanctioned. I found it sickening that TLCA claims to be open to the mini trucks yet they sanction events that explude them. Perhaps this has been resolved, I do not know. I do know that the episide at the time left a sour taste im my mouth.
 
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