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Sorry Keith, I cant wait any longer. I am running in the Warn rock crawling champoinships on November 11th and my truck is on jackstands with a broken red-line axle. No replacements, no spares <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> I will NOT drive 1100 miles just to break birfields.
I was just wondering if anyone else is in a bind. I have found the blanks, I can cut the axle and turn the outside of the yoke on my lathe, and am currently checking on splining and heat treating options. They would probably be the spicer blanks, but I am checking on alloy parts. I would NOT be making the bushings, supplying the u-joints, nor the little washer. There would be no warranty of any kind. I would sell them at cost (looks pretty $$$$ if I cant get the quantity up), and quit making them as soon as Keith is up and running again. I really do NOT want to do this, I do NOT want to be in the axle business, but I have run out of options.

OR.........Does anyone have a not too inflated red-line kit or two for sale/loan/trade?????

OR.........Keith, send me two sets of replacement axles really soon (this week).

[ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: Lance ]

[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: gopar68 ]
 

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Sorry Lance <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
 

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<IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> I almost double posted <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

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More personal mail on the BBS ... <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I understand why the folks who installed and broke redline birf eliminators are unhappy.... but I don't get why this is interfering with 'wheeling. Maybe it won't be enough for competition, but swapping Birfields back in sounds at least like a short-term solution.

I have found the blanks, I can cut the axle and turn the outside of the yoke on my lathe, and am currently checking on splining and heat treating options.
I'm skeptical that your axles would be as strong as Keith's axles... or even Birfields... I think there's more to these than just removing material from Spicer blanks. Still perhaps an axle of unknown strength is better than no axle.

Keith mentioned that he was pursuing patent protection. Dunno if he ever got there... but you might want to be careful not to use these beyond 'personal use.' Reselling them could invite legal action. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> Especially considering the price they will likely cost, even if you just charge materials (blanks bought one at a time are PRICEY!)

I still think the right solution is to work with Keith. Yeah, I know some folks are having little success. Others are slowly getting their orders filled. By November, I bet this will be settled.

Please note -- I'm not defending anyone, just stating my opinion. Thrashing this or any other vendor on the BBS isn't likely to change that.

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build A 60 And

GET IT!!!! Fawk Those Toyota Axles There Crap!!!!!

Quit Wasting You Money!!!
Unless You are Rich!! Then Go Ahead Spend So more Money It Help's the Economy!!!

60's = Less Chance At breaking Shait

Come Awnnnnnnnn

My .02 Cent's

these Toy Guys Are Funny!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">

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I hear jeep makes a birfield eliminator kit. They put them under wagoneers stock. This kit is available at your local pick and pull and comes with a stronger ring gear to. Warn, moser, spicer and dutchman all make replacement axles for this kit, I hear it works pretty good, although not as good as the kit Chevy and dodge put in some of their 1 ton 4x4's
 

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If you are gonna go throught the machine work to build a kit like that, I agree with the others here - either swap a whole other axle in place, or possibly do a complete Dana 44 knuckle out swap to the Toyota housing.

I started a similar project earlier in the year, and got about as far as cutting up the Toyota housing to put Dana 44 or Dana 60 knuckles on it. At least that way you get the increased turning abilities of the open knuckle. And with Waggie parts, you can keep the 6 lug wheel pattern.

In reality though - it just makes more $$$ sense to not try to build a custom unit and go with a complete 44 instead... IMHO of course <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 

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I just got one of those birfield eliminator kits at the junkyard today, $100 complete out the door... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by dangerber:
<STRONG>I just got one of those birfield eliminator kits at the junkyard today, $100 complete out the door... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Which model? <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by gopar68:
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I was just wondering if anyone else is in a bind. I have found the blanks, I can cut the axle and turn the outside of the yoke on my lathe, and am currently checking on splining and heat treating options. They would probably be the spicer blanks, but I am checking on alloy parts. I would NOT be making the bushings, supplying the u-joints, nor the little washer. There would be no warranty of any kind. I would sell them at cost (looks pretty $$$$ if I cant get the quantity up), and quit making them as soon as Keith is up and running again. I really do NOT want to do this, I do NOT want to be in the axle business, but I have run out of options.

[ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: Lance ]</STRONG>

Hey man I say go for it. Everyone's saying just swap in a 60 or 44, what they're forgetting is you already have your gears, locker, x-over, and pump already set up. So if you're starting a build up it's not nearly as hard to get rid of the original axle when you don't have any $$$ in it.

Good luck and get it at the Warn Champs,
Milan
 

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Originally posted by FattyCBR:
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Hey man I say go for it. Everyone's saying just swap in a 60 or 44, what they're forgetting is you already have your gears, locker, x-over, and pump already set up. So if you're starting a build up it's not nearly as hard to get rid of the original axle when you don't have any $$$ in it.

Good luck and get it at the Warn Champs,
Milan</STRONG>
Sell it!!!!!!!! Are you married to It??????? Come awnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


give up the weak for the Strong!!!!

if You are Gonna Get it You need Bigger Shait


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Originally posted by Gordon:
<STRONG>I hear jeep makes a birfield eliminator kit. They put them under wagoneers stock. This kit is available at your local pick and pull and comes with a stronger ring gear to. Warn, moser, spicer and dutchman all make replacement axles for this kit, I hear it works pretty good, although not as good as the kit Chevy and dodge put in some of their 1 ton 4x4's</STRONG>
This kit you speak of is also a dana 30 replacement upgrade kit as well.
At the time of the purchase I had pick and pull supply some extra axles for the kit.
I think I paid under 20 bucks for the extra axles this included inners and outers.

I have to admit this wonderful reseller called pickNpull is not the greatest in service they leave it up to you to do the dirty work.
but after it's all said and paid for I don't mind the dollar entrance fee they charge.
 

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Originally posted by FattyCBR:
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Hey man I say go for it. Everyone's saying just swap in a 60 or 44, what they're forgetting is you already have your gears, locker, x-over, and pump already set up. So if you're starting a build up it's not nearly as hard to get rid of the original axle when you don't have any $$$ in it.

Good luck and get it at the Warn Champs,
Milan</STRONG>
I currently have gears, locker, and steering on my 85 Toyota axle. Because i have so much $$ into it already I was considering the Redline kit.
I then decided to step up to the plate and hold out for a D60 <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> So i could wheel my truck and worry so much about breaking.
The benifits for (me) include :
-going a little wider.
-increased strength
-not having to replace parts on the trail <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
I'm going to save up for a D60. When i find one at a good price i'll sell off my toyota axle to pay for the goodies for the 60. Just my opinion.


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When you swap to a 60 in a toy whats the next weak link?Birfields break but at least they're not to hard to fix.
 

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Ok as I recall this post said nothing about "what should I upgrade to" All of that talk should go to another thread. Don't you think that he has looked into the cost of making the axles himself? I know that he has. Its a whole lot cheaper than starting over with a 44 or a 60. Ok im done.
 

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Originally posted by RealJeep Man:
<STRONG>Ok as I recall this post said nothing about "what should I upgrade to" All of that talk should go to another thread. Don't you think that he has looked into the cost of making the axles himself? I know that he has. Its a whole lot cheaper than starting over with a 44 or a 60. Ok im done.</STRONG>

Amen!!!
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Originally posted by RealJeep Man:
<STRONG>Ok as I recall this post said nothing about "what should I upgrade to" All of that talk should go to another thread. Don't you think that he has looked into the cost of making the axles himself? I know that he has. Its a whole lot cheaper than starting over with a 44 or a 60. Ok im done.</STRONG>
I think you are getting the wrong feelings from the upgrade posts. What they are trying to say in a nice way is, "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, ENOUGH WITH THE CRAPPY BIRFIELD ELIMINATOR KITS ALREADY, WE ARE SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THEM. BY A 44 OR 60 AND SHUT UP!"

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I hear what you are saying as I feel the same way. But at least this post is about resolving a few peoples problems. Like competing in 6 weeks and not having any spares and just breaking an axle last weekend.
 

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Ok people, here is the scoop. My front axle kicks ass....It is the right with, it is lightweight, I have never touched my tie rod (knock on wood), It has a drop out center section, it has awesome diff clearance, and IT IS ALREADY UNDER MY TRUCK!!!!!!!AND IT FITS!!!! Also, the only reason it has a broken axle is because it blew the spicer 297X and took aout the yokes. IMO this means it is as strong as a D44 with the above mentioned benifits. I have "gotten it" (who thought that saying up) many times and the birf-eliminator has been killer. I just need some parts within the next 2 weeks. I WAS ASKING IF ANYONE WAS IN A TERRIBLE BIND AND NEEDED AND AXLE RIGHT NOW. I would not trade my front axle for anything (maybe a 350 pound hi pinion shaved 60, ya got one???) <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
 
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