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I thought this was a cool contraption . I have seen several sites showing how to make this with great sucess ,,,
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Another site http://www.buchanan1.net/rust.html


Q. What is the method?
A. A technique for returning surface rust to iron. It uses the effect of a small low voltage electric current and a suitable electrolyte (solution).

Q. What advantages does the method have over the old standbys, like vinegar, Coke, muriatic acid, Naval Jelly, wire brushing, sand blasting etc. ?


A. These methods all remove material to remove the rust, including un-rusted surfaces. With many, the metal is left with a "pickled"look or a characteristic color and texture. The electrolytic method removes nothing: by returning surface rust to metallic iron, rust scale is loosened and can be easily removed. Un-rusted metal is not affected in any way.


Q. What about screws, pivots, etc that are "rusted tight"? A. The method will frequently solve these problems, without the need for force, which can break things. Q. Is it safe?

A. The solutions used are not hazardous; the voltages and currents are low, so there is no electrical hazard. No noxious fumes are produced. The method is self limiting: it is impossible to overclean an object.

Q. Where did this method come from?

A. Electrolysis is a standard technique in the artifact restoration business. I wrote this up for the Chronicle of the Early American Industries Association a few years back. Most of the tool collectors around here use it:

Q. What do I need?

A. A plastic tub; a stainless steel or iron electrode, water and washing soda (NOT baking soda!!) and a battery charger. About a tablespoon of soda to a gallon of water. If you have trouble locating the washing soda, household lye will work just fine. It's a tad more nasty--always wear eye protection and be sure to add the lye to the water (NOT water to lye!!!) The solution is weak, and is not harmful, though you might want to wear gloves.

Q. How long does the solution last?

A. Forever, though the loosened rust will make it pretty disgusting after a while. Evaporation and electrolysis will deplete the water from the solution. Add water ONLY to bring the level back.

Q. What about the iron electode?

A.The iron electrode works best if it surrounds the object to be cleaned, since the cleaning is "line of sight" to a certain extent. The iron electode will be eaten away with time. Stainless steel has the advantage (some alloys, but not all) that it is not eaten away.

Q. How do I connect the battery charger?

A.THE POLARITY IS CRUCIAL!! The iron or stainless electrode is connected to the positive (red) terminal. The object being cleaned, to the negative(black). Submerge the object, making sure you have good contact, which can be difficult with heavily rusted objects.

Q. How do I know if it is working?

A. Turn on the power. If your charger has a meter, be sure come current is flowing. Again, good electrical contact may be hard to make-it is essential. Fine bubbles will rise from the object.

Q.. How long do I leave it?

A. The time depends on the size of the object and of the iron electrode, and on the amount of rust. You will have to test the object by trying to wipe off the rust. Ir it is not completely clean, try again. Typical cleaning time for moderately rusted objects is a few hours. With heavily rusted objects can be left over night.

Q. How do I get the rust off after I remove the object?

A. Rub the object under running water. A paper towel will help. For heavily rusted objects, a plastic pot scrubber can be used, carefully. Depending on the amount of original rust, you may have to re-treat.

Q. My object is too big to fit. Can I clean part of it?

A. Yes. You can clean one end and then the other. Lap marks should be minimal if the cleaning was thorough.

Q. After I take it out, then what?

A. The clean object will acquire surface rust very quickly, so wipe it dry and dry further in a warm oven or with a hair dryer. You may want to apply a light oil or a coat of wax to prevent further rusting.

Q. Will the method remove pitting?

A. No. It only operates on the rust in immediate contact with unrusted metal. What's gone is gone.

Q. What will it look like when I am done?

A. The surface of rusted metal is left black. Rusted pits are still pits. Shiny unrusted metal is untouched.

Q. What about nickle plating, paint, japanning and the like?

A. Sound plating will not be affected. Plating under which rust has penetrated will usually be lifted. The solution may soften some paints. Test with a drop of solution in an inconspicuous place. Remove wood handles if possible before treating.

Q. How can I handle objects that are awkward to clean?

A. There are lots of variants: suspending an electrode inside to clean a cavity in an object; using a sponge soaked in the electrolyte with a backing electrode to clean spots on large objects or things that shouldn't be submerged (like with lots of wood)

Q. How can I dispose of the solution?

A. The bath will last until it gets so disgusting that you decide it is time for a fresh one. There is nothing especially nasty about it-it's mildly basic-so disposal is not a concern, except you may not want all the crud in your drains.

Q. Can I use metal containers?

A. This is highly risky. Galvanized metal can introduce zinc into the solution. If you have used lye, it will attack aluminum. You may have problems with electrical shorts, etc. Stick to plastic.

Q. How can I clean odd shaped objects?

A. Be ingenious. Plastic PVC pipe and eave troughs, wooden boxes with poly vapor barrier

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Q. Why should I care?

A. Because all that UNSIGHTLY RUST on my Jeep might offend the delicate sensibilities of my little friends at the mall...

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Originally posted by AzJeep:
<STRONG>I'll have the spam-bacon-spam-eggs-and-spam please.</STRONG>


[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: 1220 ]
 

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I'll have the spam-bacon-spam-eggs-and-spam please.
Really? I love spam, I'm having spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam eggs and spam ....with extra spam.


Oh...and don't skimp on the spam! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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What are you loopy and stupid ???? I'm not selling any thing . What spam . This is a do it your self cleaning contraption . Oh I'm sorry they dont sell it at the mall . You have to get off your dead A$$ and figure it out . My mistake . No one who replyed thus far hear restores their jeep . It would work great for rusted engine parts Or small parts where a sander cant reach . It also makes stuck rusted parts movable .The Mall is the right place for your TJs anyway Spam my left nut !!!
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[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: The Bear ]
 

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What is this rust you speak of??? I live in Arizona! and you're right no one here restores jeeps <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by YDB:
<STRONG>What is this rust you speak of??? I live in Arizona! and you're right no one here restores jeeps <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Ok lets go back and reread Again REREAD the post.. Now can you see it wasent a blanket statement about everyone here
<STRONG> No one who replyed thus far hear restores their jeep <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
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Thanks for the info Bear.
 

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<STRONG>I thought it would help out some . Some have too much time to read comic books instead of setting up our rigs .
thanks
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Originally posted by The Bear:
<STRONG>What are you loopy and stupid ???? I'm not selling any thing . What spam ....
[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: The Bear ]</STRONG>
Sorry, but your post reads just like an infomercial.

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it works!

i'll try an have pics up on my site in the next 4-5 days.

*gets out a big sponge and starts on his frame rails...*

i used it on some hubcaps and a steel rim and some old drill bits. good stuff. now i just have to try an remember how to zinc-galvanize stuff...
 

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Thanks for the great info, Bear.
I'm going to try it on some of my older tools and a pair of '70s knuckles ...

Don't let those stupid, ignorant and lazy spam lovers bother you.
Stupid because they can't see the potential of it ... hell they don't have any old parts or tools anyway ...
Ignorant because they can't grasp the concept.
And lazy because either they lead people to think their old rusty crates are cool or they go out and buy new so they won't get thier hands dirty.
Those mall crawlers belong back at JU.
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Don't get your panties in a twist <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
I was only jaggin' him...
Maybe you should take you overly sensitive, easily hurt feelings to JU instead, OK ?

Good information is always appreciated, even though I don't have to concern my TJ drivin', mall crawlin' ass with what he offered right now.

Quit being so "Namby Pamby"
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Originally posted by 1220:
<STRONG>Don't get your panties in a twist <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
I was only jaggin' him...
Maybe you should take you overly sensitive, easily hurt feelings to JU instead, OK ?

Good information is always appreciated, even though I don't have to concern my TJ drivin', mall crawlin' ass with what he offered right now.

Quit being so "Namby Pamby"
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no value added 1220. it is a cool idea. why would you call that spam anyway.

that wasn't flaming it was being a moron. if you are just going to flame people all the time than maybe you should be at ju. this is jeep talk, not trash talk. if it is a stupid post then go for it. if not leave it alone or add too it.

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Agreed...
 

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TY bearrrr I live in Rust country now.. YUKKKKK (Ohio)

Maybe I can build a BIG ASS tank to drive into and just do my whole rig like twice a year or something... hmmmm


question... long ago I saw in JC Whitney a product that kept a small electrical charge running thru what ever you install it on constantly to prevent rust. Suposidly it is used on submarines. Do these things work? Wonder if they or someone still sells them?
 

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Very interesting thought. It is the same concept that we used in protecting water towers from rusting. Its basically a cathodic protection system. I'll have to give that a shot on my Jeep. its only a 92 but its got some rust here and there I want to knock out. Thanks for the idea Bear. <IMG SRC="smilies/glasses.gif" border="0"> have a <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> on me
 

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Originally posted by WranglerRunner3:
<STRONG>Very interesting thought. It is the same concept that we used in protecting water towers from rusting. Its basically a cathodic protection system. I'll have to give that a shot on my Jeep. its only a 92 but its got some rust here and there I want to knock out. Thanks for the idea Bear. <IMG SRC="smilies/glasses.gif" border="0"> have a <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> on me</STRONG>

Wait wait.... how did u protect the water towers? u mean as they were constructed or after... are u talking about Bears plating contraption or my responce of running a current thru the vehicle to prevent rusting?
 
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