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WASHINGTON - Congressman Andy Barr released the following statement after meeting with the Honorable Thomas Tidwell, Chief of the United States Forest Service, and Mr. Doug Crandall, the Director of Legislative Affairs for the United States Forest Service. Congressman Barr requested this meeting in order to discuss the Forest Service’s proposed Cave Run Non-motorized Trails Initiative and the Sand Lick Fork Watershed Restoration Project.

“Today, I was pleased to meet with Chief Tidwell to register my serious concerns with two of the Forest Service’s projects underway in my district. In this meeting, I conveyed concerns brought to my attention by constituents in Bath County and Menifee County regarding the Forest Service’s proposed Cave Run Non-motorized Trails Initiative, specifically that each of the four Forest Service proposals either prohibit or limit the future use of trails currently enjoyed by and available to horseback riders. As we discussed the situation, I emphasized to Chief Tidwell that such restrictions to riders would largely threaten and deter equine-related tourism in the area, revenue from which is vital to the economic stability of these rural counties. I am encouraged that Chief Tidwell agrees that we need to find a mutually beneficial solution that would maintain the current levels of access for so many riders who enjoy these trails.

“Chief Tidwell and I also discussed the Sand Lick Fork Watershed Restoration Project. In my letter requesting this meeting, I emphasized to Chief Tidwell that several of the project’s proposed closures would negatively impact our ability to attract tourism to the Sixth District. I specifically explained to Chief Tidwell that action items in the project would be barriers to local tourism and recreation, particularly those that decommission or limit use of off-highway vehicle roads. We discussed the extraordinary efforts made by county leadership to promote local tourism, which in turn brings jobs to their communities and business to local restaurants and hotels. I was glad when Chief Tidwell acknowledged the importance of taking a closer look at these proposed closures that would negatively impact these local economies at a time when they can least afford it.

“I appreciate Chief Tidwell’s willingness to work with us on these important issues and I am encouraged that the Chief is going to take a closer look at both of these situations. I look forward to continuing to work with the Forest Service to find mutually beneficial solutions that will safeguard local tourism and recreation, which is vital to the economic stability of the Sixth District.”

On Wednesday, Congressman Barr will be continuing this conversation with Mr. Frank Beum, the Forest Supervisor of the Daniel Boone National Forest, and Ms. Marie Walker, the Public Affairs Officer for the Daniel Boone National Forest.
 

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Sadly, it seems that you have to make a statement like yall did to get somewhere with these people. But its about time we start turning things around. Sounds like that is some progress, keep it up guys
 

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What's the latest? Was planning on riding that area sunday
 

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Same areas are open. The narrows is still closed, but the USFS is throwing a fit now. They are now trying to take subsidies back from the state and a few other things. The same trails that everyone is used to riding right now are still all open
 

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I'm from Cincinnati, and was just in the Red River Gorge area this weekend. I came upon this thread after doing some research on off-road trails in the RRG area.

I also found this description of the reopening of the Pitkin, CO road:

Pitkin Colorado Vs The United States Forest Service | Alpine Paradise

According to the story, the road closure was not legal, therefore the threats of arrest may have been hollow. IF the road closure was not legal, one may have grounds for a dandy Section 183 violation of rights lawsuit.

I will follow this thread with interest, and MORE POWER TO YOU.
 

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The situation we have in the DBNF is exactly the same. Presently, the USFS is monitoring this thread along with others trying to stay ahead of the momentum we the people have garnered. That said, we are giving the diplomatic channels of the county and state the opportunity to work at their level to get the FS to stand down. I highly doubt they will, as evidenced by their tactics thus far... So, in the not so distant future, after the county and state have their chance.... We will retake every single road the USFS has illegally closed because you are exactly correct, the threat of arrest is hollow and they know that we know what they have done to the county roads.... Heck, district Ranger Dave Manner spent over 400k$ tax payer dollars destroying our road....I'm sure he's not going to apologize and make it right or he already would have. It's going to take uniting citizens, county, and state to make this right... And we will, in earnest.

All I can say to anyone who is on board with making this right, is to be at the ready. Our time will come.
 

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and this is what documentation is used to illegally close a county road under a "categorical exclusion" (i.e. do whatever we want without due diligence and as quickly and under the radar as possible)...

Notice page 2 states "the OHV trail is not an official Forest Service Road, a county road nor a state road"....

http://www.powellcountyky.us/pdf/USFS Closure Document .pdf


Actually, the road shown on the USFS map is exactly County Road Sand Lick Road #1057 which is on the county road inventory even to this day! This was verified by the county surveyor.....and it has been listed as a county road since the 20's and it is shown on many State Highway Department maps and listed under maintenance contracts from the state to the county.

No one mentions the Wolfe County road called Sterling Road that was also obliterated in this same USFS action. Sterling Road is also a county road and always has been.... it is obvious the USFS has been caught with their hands in the cookie jar..... now the county and state and citizens must make them accountable.
 

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...Actually, the road shown on the USFS map is exactly County Road Sand Lick Road #1057 which is on the county road inventory even to this day! This was verified by the county surveyor.....and it has been listed as a county road since the 20's and it is shown on many State Highway Department maps and listed under maintenance contracts from the state to the county...
One wonders why, if this is so cut and dried, the county hasn't acted more forcefully to reverse this unjust taking?

Does KY have a recall process?
 

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Well the county road crew reopened the road a few weeks ago...... but the FS retrenched the entrance then put armed guards there :eek: great use of resources huh? feds guarding a county road from the citizens.....:mad3:
 

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Wow. Armed guards.

The crispy critters and a space cadet have taken over.

We have to get down to earth people back in those positions.


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Congressman Andy Barr needs to hear your support ASAP.

Voters and citizens who support the county's rights to their roads need to email, call, write, or visit Congressman Barr immediately. Tell him you support the county's rights to their roads, including Sand Lick Road, along with responsible use of the road. Tell him you support the county's plan to promote the roads for tourism to boost the local economy.

Spreading the word to other supporters of this basic right of the county is imperative as well. The USFS and private groups have severely damaged many roads without anyone speaking out in defense of the county roads, until now. Get the word out to your friends, families, clubs, and others to contact Any Barr and let him hear your voice on the issue.

He has received letters from groups like the Sheltowee Trace Association and others who apparently support the USFS's actions on the county's roads, which use track hoe's to dig 70 ft. wide and 20 feet deep trenches to bedrock, scarring the earth, or using dynamite to explode natural rock formations like pink rock as done at Livingstone. There are many miles of county roads gated and destroyed and yet these groups continue to support these actions blindly without considering the consequences of the illegal closure for rescue efforts, forest fires, and other needs of the community like diverse recreational opportunities. Sand Lick Road was illegally closed in 2006 and damaged beyond belief. Go to White's Branch Arch with your friends and family and see for yourself what the USFS spent your money doing along with the private groups.

Make your voice heard. Email your support for the county road initiative and your opposition to the actions of the USFS and the private groups that result in the damage to Sand Lick Road (Narrows Road) and many others. Protect sustainable access and diverse recreation opportunities.

write:
US Representative Andy Barr
KY-6, Old Rosebud Road, Suite 100
Lexington, KY
40509


call: phone: 859-219-1366

or if you are in his district, email (This is the only email option I know of..)

https://barr.house.gov/contact/email-me
 

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Things are looking good for the future of multiple use access.

The best way to help is to write the local judges, reps, congressman, and governor showing your support for multiple use, including motorized use access, to the Daniel Boone National Forest, specifically the areas around Slade.
 

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Update:

Congressman Andy Barr, the USFS, and Judge Executive of Powell County James Anderson toured Sand Lick, KY recently with a purpose to increase dialogue on the proposed project in Sand Lick and also the illegal closure of the narrows and Sand Lick Road CR 1057 in 2006. The Congressman viewed the 20' wide 70' long trenches dug to bedrock by the USFS along the historic Sand Lick Road on the way to the narrows. He stood on the narrows personally. He understood the scope of the 2006 project first hand, which included the trenching of Sterling Road of Wolfe County (the 'nature trail' which has ingress/egress onto US 11 near Natural Bridge State Park) and Mill Creek Lake. Over eight miles of county roads were damaged and attempted to be blocked via 'tank trap' in order to illegally prevent public motoring by the USFS. The Judge Executive James Anderson made sure all parties were aware of the scope of impact the USFS's actions continue to have on the local counties, specifically Powell County. He has vowed to protect county resources like recreational county roads with all of his power. Many other local county Judges Executives feel the same way.

The counties are in support of a new tourism initiative called the Daniel Boone Backcountry Byway. This network of county roads, maintained by the counties and the Friends Of The Daniel Boone (FOTDB) volunteer group, will serve to preserve the historic and rugged county roads of eastern Kentucky and revitalize the tourism economies that suffered so terribly when the USFS changed it's travel management rules in 1998. This action closed thousands of miles of roads in the Daniel Boone National Forest, many of which are county roads. This had a lasting, drastic impact on the local communities. The Daniel Boone Backcountry Byway (DBBB) is a long term, sustainable solution to recreation access in the forest. The DBBB will keep all county roads safe from illegal closures and in the rightful hands of the people of the counties.

Stay tuned for much more on the DBBB and the FOTDB. The Judge Executives are smiling on the concept and actually, we wish for the public to enjoy their county roads to the very utmost everyday. Ride the roads with pride! Just like our rights as citizens, if you don't use them, then they will disappear! Use your rights, use your county roads!




Also, the Jeep Jamboree is coming back to Slade, KY. :jeep:
 

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