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Has anyone done this and what is involved, if I remember correctly you need to swap the knuckle yoke off the housing, no biggie (get to reset my caster!!!), but the area that I am wondering about was how would you use the stock inners (91' D-30 w/abs and 297x u-joint) and mate it to a outer from a CJ?, use a 44 outer? or get an aftermarket outer (warn?), or would a stock outer from a 44 would work?, as long as I got the knuckle to fit the yoke; right... I can use the 44 flat top knuckles with this arrangement if that is the case?, also what year CJ's if it matters at all? The flat top knuckles come from chevys? or what? I know I need ford hub stuff to get 5 on 5.5... But where else can I find 44 flat tops? I am in the process of putting a 9" with 5 on 5.5 in the rear and want to convert the front to the same pattern without paying Warn 1200 bucks for the HD kit, also have plans for a cross over hydro steering...

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The XJ should have the large "C" so the spacing between the ball joints will be to wide to use a CJ 30 but I would think a Dodge 1/2ton 44 knuckle on out should work.
 

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I think all jeep CJ dana30's used the same knuckle yokes. Flat tops should come from a chevy or mid 70's wagoneer. Just out of curiosity, why are you going through so much trouble on the 30? You could put a wagoneer 44 up front and just mix and match parts to get the 5 on 5.5.

Welding on coil buckets is probably about as hard as what your trying to do.
 

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You will need shorter inner axles to use with the CJ inner knuckles. To use flat top knuckles you need Chevy or Waggy spindles and Chevy brake adapters(Waggy ones will work but need the bolt pattern reclocked) due to the 6 hole spindle bolt pattern(ford spindles/knuckles are the 5 hole type). You will also need the D44 outer axle shafts. Then use the Ford 5 on 5.5" hubs and rotors.

My ? for you is why not build a 44 at least? I 'm in the process of buiding a HP D44 with 5 on 5.5 bolt high steer setup. I thought about doing up my D30 like you are but the cost is the same to do a D44.

In reality I should have went D60. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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Oh yeah 1 more thing... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
 

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I want to keep the 30 for the clearence and the fact that all the bums I wheel with with 35's and 36's never really bust much, also I have an arb for it and 4.88's; the more I was thinking, I also want some extra width; would it be possible just to grab the waggie flat top tubes with inner knuckles and outers still attached, have them flanged to fit the 30 tubes (friend with a lathe), sleeve the crap and then run ford hubs on the spindles, or does the waggie spindles need work done to receive the ford hubs? The address the length change with some new alloy inners... Just thinking out loud <IMG SRC="smilies/scary.gif" border="0">

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[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: wanderingwillys ]
 

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Originally posted by The Flem:
<STRONG>I think all jeep CJ dana30's used the same knuckle yokes.</STRONG>
Well that is my point. When they stopped making CJ's and went to YJ's they changed to that large style "C/knuckle" setup so other than using a knuckle from a YJ or TJ that has the same crap he is trying to get away from I say look into what comes on Dodge 1500's. I don't have any expierance with 87-up Jeep stuff so I could be totally wrong but I might have a point.??? I don't know for sure.
 

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And then just address the the bolt pattern with ford stuff to make it 5 on 5.5?! That would work, but what years did the waggy come with a RC 44 driver drop in the front?, just spend the extra time making contol arm stuff and sell the 30 crap after the new one goes in.... Not much down time on the XJ either HMMMMMM <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
 

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Also just to clear something up - I was planning on removing the inner knuckles from the 30 (grind out the welds and use a BFH to get the inner off the housing tube) and modify the tube to fit 44 inner knuckles that can take 44 flat top outers

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[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: wanderingwillys ]
 

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The weld penetrates the "inner knuckle" or what is more often referred to as the "C" so grinding will be very time consumming if even possible. There arn't any years of waggy 44 that came RC so you would have to use a Ford front if you want an RC44
 

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That is what I feared, so it would be the ford 3/4 ton 77' 1/2+ that comes with a flat top knuckle driver drop and leaf springs that I would be looking for. And then address the 8 lug pattern to 5 on 5.5 with 1/2 ford stuff; yes, or am I missing something? or is there a better way to get 5 on 5.5 with a flat top knuckle?

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You listen well young Jeddi! That is the exact setup you need. If you get an 8lug front it wont be hard to trade someone for the 5lug stuff.
 

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I have a '77 f250 44 in the front of my YJ. It has flat top knuckles. Here is what I used:
-Scout II spindles (8 bolt pattern).
-Chevy 1/2 ton brakes (welded the holes shut and redrilled to 8 holes on the caliper bracket).
-Early CJ/Scout Rotors.
-Warn CJ hub conversion kit (internally splined hubs).
-Warn alloy axles.

This setup has worked really well for me.

One thought... What about a Warn 5on5.5 Hub Kit? Kind of spendy, but it would be an easy solution.
 

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pssst...........Hey newbie, check in! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> Also, you're sig pick is too big......


......and I wanna see some pics of the tubs in your XJ too... <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: Billy Badass ]
 

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I did EXACTLY what you want to do, and I have it thoroughly documented in the "Hybrid axle" album at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bcaliftan

I used Chevy D44 flat top knuckles and ford f150 hubs for 5x5.5.

Why??

I had JUST dumped a bunch of money into gears and locker for the 30.

I love the clearance of the HPD30

It's pretty unique, and I did it myself.

Junkyard parts are hard to find in decent condition here - no HP44's at all, and I'd rather have my setup than a LP Waggy D44 any day.

I love the setup. and am very pleased so far.

Check the album, and e-mail me if you have any ???
 
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