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does anyone know of, if any, problems exist when swapping d44 waggoneer axles under a 79 CJ5?
 

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waggy axles come in a few different lengths from about 61.5" WMS to WMS to wide tracks which are around 65" from WMS's... So obviously there going to be wider. (this is good) Not to mention they are 6-lug so new wheels are going to be needed.. Depending on the year waggy depends on what side the diff is on up front. Im pretty sure they were passenger-side up untill 79' then they went to driverside.

The rears came with 44's or shitty ass model 20's again depending on year of the waggy. Also some waggy's had offset rear axles, some centered... plenty of different factors in swappin in waggy's.
 

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Also I have a friend that had waggy's under his spring over CJ-5. he loved them.. It didnt seem to hard to swap in either. (I think I got a little off base in the first response.
 

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actually the corp 20 in the SJ's wasnt shitty. They were 1 piece shafts and had thicker beefier tubes than the CJ versions.
 

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Mike is right the FSJ M20 is big and strong = to or better than a dana 44 ( never ending debate)

ALSO, there is NO SUCH THING as a WIDE-TRACK Wagoneer.

if it has 4 doors, its a narrow track!, and from 74-91 they had 62 inch wide axles ( approx 62)

the 65 inch axles were in CHEROKEE ( 2 door wide tracks)

or J TRUCKS.

NEVER a WIDE TRACK wagoneer.

[ 09-10-2001: Message edited by: ozarkjeep ]
 

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aggie,

you either have to shorten the front axle ( a couple hundred $$ if you can do some yourself)

or outboard your front spring hangers.

the rear is as simple as cutting off old spring perches, and welding relocated ones on.

the steering/brakes arent too bad.

the CJ pitman wont fit the wagoneer steering linkage so youll need to either change to a wag pitman, or have the hole in your CJ arm retapered to fit the larger rod end.

for front SOA youll have to grind the perch quite a bit ( several beers, an hour or so)
 

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i'm definately goin to new rims and tires, i have the amc20 rear and d30 front, and i want to run 35's, and my springs are very worn, so i'm goin to get new springs and spring over, another quick one, does anyone know if the d44 was ever offset?, i would then be able to run a dana18 t-case instead of my dana20
 

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Im not even going to start in with you guys about the Model 20's... I have my opinions you have yours....... we'll just leave it at that.

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hey landon, you won't want to run a d18 cause the offset axle will cause problems with your exhaust setup. You already have 2lo, you can swap the gears into a d20 to get the low range, I plan on doing that sometime soon
 

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Originally posted by Rockbuggy:
<STRONG>Im not even going to start in with you guys about the Model 20's... I have my opinions you have yours....... we'll just leave it at that.

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putting those d18 gears into the d20 isnt all that easy.. you need the d20 from a bronco's input shaft.. d18 gears.. and then a d20 housing to witch you will need to grind down on the inside.. for the d18 gearset.. to me all that isnt worth the .40 increase.. ugh.. and i even got a d18 for free.... but those bronco d20's are not that plentiful around these necks of the woods..
yes.. the 70's wagoneers mostly came with d44's off set due to the quadratrac setup..
and those amc 20's are damn fine axle.. waay better than the cj version..
i dont see the offset causing problems with an exhaust.. mmm.. its the same case as the d20 damn near.. and i have no problems running dual pipes down the inside of my frame.. but i am running a yj frame.. alittle wider than a cj's..
 

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I've got Waggy axles under my Flatty. The rear is offset so I can run the model 18. What's the problem with exhaust? I have the two pipes running along the driver side then into a single 2 into 1 Flowmaster type muffler with a 2.5 tailpipe. It works great for me.
 

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Originally posted by Jeepdude_Jay:
<STRONG>I've got Waggy axles under my Flatty. The rear is offset so I can run the model 18. What's the problem with exhaust? I have the two pipes running along the driver side then into a single 2 into 1 Flowmaster type muffler with a 2.5 tailpipe. It works great for me.</STRONG>

The way my duals are run if the diff was moved over it would hit the pipe on compression. I'm just saying its a big pain in the ass to put a d18 in where a 20 was and there isn't a real gain except for gearing and maybe pto. Gearing can be fixed, and an offset axle limits future upgrades
 

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Originally posted by Rockbuggy:
<STRONG>Im not even going to start in with you guys about the Model 20's... I have my opinions you have yours....... we'll just leave it at that.

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Originally posted by Rockbuggy:
[QB]Im not even going to start in with you guys about the Model 20's... I have my opinions you have yours....... we'll just leave it at that.
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<IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"> CJ 20's had two major flaws as I recall... 2-piece axles and thin axle tubes. Waggy 20's share neither of these flaws. Ring and pinion is undeniably bigger/stronger than a 44. I don't recall the difference in axle shaft diameters but I think they're the same?? Anyone know for sure? The Waggy 20 is widely regarded as a nice axle and the CJ 20 is universally regarded as crap <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> That said, a 44 or a (Waggy) 20 still ain't a 60 or 70, but both are still nice axles IMO.

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AMC 20's have 29 spline shafts. Darn close to a 30 spline D44 if you ask me. Anyway, I've run my CJ 20 for 2 years with 102:1 crawl ratio & 35x14.5's with no breakage.
 
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