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It's cool. He didn't make it work worse than stock off road, he engineered it to handle actual off roading ( note the sealed ammo box for the ecm ). If he didn't go where I would have , that is UP with bigger tires, that's ok. I like his engine install - tho' I would like to see a 4x4 tranny (shorter output shaft) with an adapter to marry a Toy t-case.
But like I said, I bailed on the gas v-6 and went turbo-diesel I-4.
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Don't get me wrong, I wasn't in any way dissing or implying that *he* made it worse for off road, my point was more along the lines of: he didn't seem to go out of his way to make it *more* off road capable, when it's obvious he has the talents to do so.

I believe that his use of an ammo can was technically a more off roady mod, but IMHO think it wasn't
specifically "engineered" with this in mind, just a simple and effective solution to the requirements of needing a box to put stuff in, that was out of the cab and engine bay friendly. I would use one of those too, even if I was building a Ricer and had to put electronics outside the passenger compartment and was as attention-to-details as this fellow.:D

I wonder if anyone can reach this guy and get him to post stuff here? He would be a most welcome addition :)
 

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Toy T-case adapter - I was saying make one - none are out there that I know of.

Ford is driver's side out-put, ya'.

I tried backing up the address - got to a Mercedes Used Parts website - but I think it might be the guy - in his For-Sale section he has a bass-ass Model A' he helped a friend build - seems like similiar talents. I have been tempted to contact him myself.
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Toy T-case adapter - I was saying make one - none are out there that I know of.

Ford is driver's side out-put, ya'.

I tried backing up the address - got to a Mercedes Used Parts website - but I think it might be the guy - in his For-Sale section he has a bass-ass Model A' he helped a friend build - seems like similiar talents. I have been tempted to contact him myself.
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:D :beer: cheers dude
 

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Were there various engine options thrown into the mix early on?

I have a Ranger with the little twin plug efi 4 banger, and while researching oil pumps, I came across *something* like: "the v-6 (optional) engine had the oil pump, along with the oil pan gasket revised after some early model year problems, make sure to get these new part #'s when changing out a bad pump or leaking pan gasket"

I think it was maybe the "Ranger Station" or somewhere that I read this, and is it possible I mis-read it somehow?
I think early on you find Rangers with the 2.9 - it was also standard in the Aerostar. Sucky. No recalls/major issues/known "they always break _insert part here_" history. I was a in Ford shop from 92 to 99 as a factory tech - and there were guy who did NOTHING but re-seal the 4.0 during that time. One tech had two complete, filled, double stacked Snap-On toolboxes - two of everything - 'cause he didn't want to even lose his stride if a tool managed to get lost or broken - he was making that much money.
Sigh....those were the days:D
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I think early on you find Rangers with the 2.9 - it was also standard in the Aerostar. Sucky. No recalls/major issues/known "they always break _insert part here_" history. I was a in Ford shop from 92 to 99 as a factory tech - and there were guy who did NOTHING but re-seal the 4.0 during that time. One tech had two complete, filled, double stacked Snap-On toolboxes - two of everything - 'cause he didn't want to even lose his stride if a tool managed to get lost or broken - he was making that much money.
Sigh....those were the days:D
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My B2 had the 2.9. Other reason why I not a Ford guy.

Apparently, you can get new castings for the 2.9 heads from India that are slightly redesigned such that the oiling is better and the head gaskets don't blow. I almost went this route, but luckily my buddy wrote the truck off for me before I had to sink any more money into that POS.

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My B2 had the 2.9. Other reason why I not a Ford guy.

Apparently, you can get new castings for the 2.9 heads from India that are slightly redesigned such that the oiling is better and the head gaskets don't blow. I almost went this route, but luckily my buddy wrote the truck off for me before I had to sink any more money into that POS.

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I agree - I mean, you could fix the 2.9 - but why bother? Get the 4.0 - it at least just leaks a lot, and makes good power. For a big motor conversion, I would try to make the 3.8 from a Thunderbird/Mustang fit, or the 4.2 from the F150(stroker, TORQUE) - but they are a wide ange V, not sure how the fit would be.
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Made it BETTER for off roading? Um, guys... doesn't he now have a ton of HP (for a zuk)... and a tiny little STOCK AXLE in the back end?

Yeah, it's a street rig.
 

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I have stock axles too. I have 3 times the stock torque below 2000 rpm. I haven't broken a axle. I guess it isn't "if" but "when" I break them, but for all the bitchin' about stock axles, there are many rigs will big tires and low gears ( effectively the same as more torque as far as they axles know) NOT breaking stock axles. I also couldn't care less if he broke one a week, or only goes off-road on leap years. It's his "outside the box" thinking that interests me - if this was another 1.6 install I wouldn't have paid it a moments notice. I wonder what's his next stage of upgrade will be, too.
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Were there various engine options thrown into the mix early on?

I have a Ranger with the little twin plug efi 4 banger, and while researching oil pumps, I came across *something* like: "the v-6 (optional) engine had the oil pump, along with the oil pan gasket revised after some early model year problems, make sure to get these new part #'s when changing out a bad pump or leaking pan gasket"

I think it was maybe the "Ranger Station" or somewhere that I read this, and is it possible I mis-read it somehow?

The gaskets and such were upgraded to silicone from cork/rubber to help combat the sealing problems

The 2.9(and all its varient) is a German made engine, and can be built up nicely, the heads did craks in the early models if the egine was allowed to overheat. Aftermarket heads (not the Indian ones) do not have this problem.

I personally had a 2.9 in my '90 Ranger, It is still running, not burning oil with over 200K on the clock. My old Bronco II had the 2.9 in it as well, but it was a bit underpowered with an auto attached and the extra weight of the BII body. :( and it is still being driven, no oil burning, no knocks......
 

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The 2.9(and all its varient) is a German made engine, and can be built up nicely, the heads did craks in the early models if the egine was allowed to overheat. Aftermarket heads (not the Indian ones) do not have this problem.
More search for precision...

I was flipping through my old copy of "Ford 60 deg V-6 blah, blah..." last night and it appears the 2.9 is a moslty differnt engine from the 2.6, 2.8. Different block casting. Hydraulic lifters too (you knew that, for the benefit of anyone else reading this).

Cosworth made (makes?) 4 valve heads for the 2.9. kinda neat.

BAd thing about this book I have though - nothing on the 3.0. It only covers the 2.6, 2.8, 2.9 and 4.0 engines. :(

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You are right - the 2.9 is "mostly different". The reason the book has no 3.0 is it is completely different.

As to good 2.9s, or 2.9s that can be fixed - I agree - any engine can be fixed, can be made to work well - just for picking an engine to swap in, I wouldn't get the 2.9 and fix it - I would look t the 3.0, which ain't broke, or the 4.0, which is just as easy or hard to fit as the 2.9 and much more powerfull.

My soapbox - why the hell did does Ford make so many similar engines of similar displacement and power - why a 3.0 Vulcan at the same time as a 3.0 Duratec or a 3.0/3.2 SHO - why a 3.4 DOHC V-8 SHO FWD while they make a 32 valve DOHC 4.6 FWD ? Then there is the OHV 3.8/4.2 alongside a 4.0 OHV - which by the way is a available as a 4.0 SOHC too - Sheesh! Back when it mattered, I was certified in 19 engine classifications - all of them currently under warranty in one car or another. What a pain in the a$$. It makes it tough for the consumer, too. It makes me like the Chevy in that respect - they got a lot of different motors out of the 350. A Chevy starter can be a Chevy starter, as a result. But I digress.

I do like the 3.0 Vulcan - it is a common car for mechanics to be seen driving, that and the 1.9 Escort - 'cause they HATE working on their own rigs. The 3.0 has been left alone, it hasn't evolved into a 3.5 or a 3.9 or a V-4 or anything stupid - it was designed, built, and left alone. Kinda' like the Chevy 350 was for a long time, now that I think of it.

I emailed the Mercedes shop/website. We shall see.
 

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i will put up pics tonite, if i remember, my 3.0 is in the engine bay, i'm making up motor mounts. i adapted the m5od to a d300, i'll make a planetary reduction later. OAL is 1" shorter than samurai engine/tranny/tcase....
 
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