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Lemme get this straight, I can set my D30 up with some decent hubs, stronger shafts and a 297 U joint for around $800 (Warn)

The U joint (which is the first thing to go 90% of the time) is the same as a D44 and my buddy's $3000 Currie HP 9".

Yes, the shafts are weaker. Yes the ring gear is like 7.something inches.

Yes, I know the proper answer is D60. I have no money for a D60. Explain to my why I should screw with swapping a D44 (and getting new gears and locker)???

Why not throw some cash at my D30 now (is it worth it?) and save for a LONG time and then get a D60 with 35 splines, and beefy u-joints???
 

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D44 are dirt cheap, and easy to find and easy to build a cross over high knuckle steering set up.
You can buy a D44 from a G waggy for example for a YJ for as low $100. I bought mine for $125 complete, with spring pads, U joints, steering linkage and leaf springs.
If you need spare parts they can come straight out of a junk yard, rather than being high dollar aftermarket parts.
We all no that a D44 is no D60, but it is worthwhile swap, for most people. The d30 isnt a total piece of crap, but if you havent wasted any money on it yet, put it into a D44 and sell the d30 to off-set costs.
 

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Depends on tire size. If you stay 33 I'd keep the D30. Even 35s. Any bigger I'd go with a D44 or D60 up front. This of course is just my opinion. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
 

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What I'm saying is, if you're going to swap, why swap a D44?

I (unfortunately) DO have a lot aof cash into my current D30/35 settup (4.56, ARB, Warn Full Float) and could probably sell it for some serious green (not on this board though). Oh yeah, this is for 35's

For the effort and cash, what is the real upgrade from a D30 to D44?
 

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Originally posted by wrangler40:
<STRONG>Why not throw some cash at my D30 now (is it worth it?) and save for a LONG time and then get a D60 with 35 splines, and beefy u-joints???</STRONG>
I would agree. Stick with the 30 if you run 35's and drive smart my stock 78 30 ran for many years with 35's.
 

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The advantage is like H8monday says, price. I can get a waggy front end for $150 no problem and that gives me all the crap warn is selling you for $800. If you do plan to go to bigger U-joints in your 30 don't waist your money on the overpriced warn crap(OK its not crap) get axle shafts out of a XJ dana 30 and be done with it
 

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Yeah D44 are cheap, $100 for an axle is not uncommon, but more than likely you will have to regear, add a locker and that is where all the money starts adding up. Before you know it you have $800 - $1K in your $100 axle. Upgrade to XJ shafts and keep your Dana 30. Of course if you are doing what I see in your sig pic then maybe you do need a D44 or D60 <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: CJBoxer ]
 

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Whoa there. (in my humble opinion) DO NOT WASTE ONE PENNY on that pile-o-30. For you guyz'z paruzal...

My 44 (when broken out of a package deal I got) came out to less than $100. Stuffed a slightly used Lockrite in it for $200. Found an extra set of shafts, inners and outers with the 297's for $50. I've got about $300 invested in an 8 lug full width 44 with 4:10's locked AND a spare set of shafts. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

ps. By the way. Those hubs that come with the Warn kit for the 30... SUCK. All they are is a frigg'n pot aluminum Ford Ranger hub. Yes, I broke them.

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It has a lot to do with how you are going to 'wheel it. The 30 in my TJ needed new u-joints and wheel bearings at 18,000 miles. I beat the hell out of my jeep so I expected no less. I'll probably piss someone off, but if your not going to do a lot of suspension and steering modifications to your rig and your still in school, my .02 is to wheel it and just fix it when it breaks. Upgrading from your 260 ujoint to a 297 is great, but it is far from being bulletproof. If you wheel it hard, it will break or wear out. That leaves you, me and a bunch of other guys wanting the strength of Dana 60 outers, but either not wanting to, or not being able to cough up the cash for a Dana 60 or hi-bred front axle.
So if you want the larger meats but you are going to run 260 or 297 series ujoints, your choices might be to either wheel it the way you want and get comfortable doing your own rebuilds, or taking it easy when you wheel and letting the front end live longer. I'd rather wrench and wheel it the way I want then to take it easy.
 

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Originally posted by Loppy:
<STRONG>Yes, I broke them.

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<IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Dont you mean they were broke FOR you <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

I am up in the air on this one. I wheeled for 3 years on a stock 3.07 geared and open D30 front...33's and 35's. I NEVER broke anything. Which to this day amazes me because I am not exactly light on the go go juice <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> I went to a 44 front simply because I couldnt afford a 60, and I was going 3/4 ton on 38's--I HAD to have stronger. I do have to agree though, those warn hubs for a 30 are crap.
 

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Simple.

With a D44, you can run 35's all day long. STOCK.

With a 30, you can run 35's, TRICKED.

Unfortunately though, it sounds like you've already put some cash into your 30. If I were you, I wouldn't spend ANY more money on it, go to a junkyard, and find a 44. Start building it in your spare time, when you have a few spare bucks laying around. Wheel the piss out of your 30, and when it does break, swap it and be done.

Just my opinion though. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

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Originally posted by Keith Strong:
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<IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Dont you mean they were broke FOR you <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

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BAAAAAAAAahahahaha... Yeah. Thanks Rod! I was spotting him however. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the 12pack we drank that morning <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> . And the damn thing exploded like a grenade. I got pelted with shrapnel. Junk. <IMG SRC="smilies/puke.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by Keith Strong:
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<IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Dont you mean they were broke FOR you <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

I am up in the air on this one. I wheeled for 3 years on a stock 3.07 geared and open D30 front...33's and 35's. I NEVER broke anything. Which to this day amazes me because I am not exactly light on the go go juice <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> I went to a 44 front simply because I couldnt afford a 60, and I was going 3/4 ton on 38's--I HAD to have stronger. I do have to agree though, those warn hubs for a 30 are crap.</STRONG>
Yeah, Keith whats up with that? You were bustin my chops for telling you to keep that 30 for a while <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Well, since you have money into your combo now I say keep it and save. It would suck though if you break a R&P and have to dump more $$$ into it.
 

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Ok, so what I've gathered so far is that a D44 WILL hold up under 35's (for the most part) and my D30 may or may not (no surprise there).

Yeah, I'm at school in another 3 weeks and have trouble throwing down cash $500 to $1000 at a time. It's not like I really have a place to keep a spare axle anyway.

So, here's the current plan: get some XJ shafts (what about TJ or 95 YJ???) and be light on the stupid petal. I'm always keeping my eye out for a good deal on a D44, but have trouble plunking down a few hundred (where do you guys find D44's for like $100???) for something that's gonna sit at my folks house until Christmas....

thanks to all...
 

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There ya go dude. You can only do what cha can. by the way, they're called "Pick & Pulls" 44's o-pleanty for around $100. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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If you can cut it down, I'd go high pinion. Extra stoutness for not much more cost, but it does require trimmed shafts or Moser custom, which are very cool anyway. Don't forget, Jesse at High Angle is coming out with "super 297" joints very soon. They will bend Moser splines before they break. This is what is going in my XJ, cause I'm tired of changing joints/axles with 35's.

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Originally posted by Rockslut.:
<STRONG>Yeah, Keith whats up with that? You were bustin my chops for telling you to keep that 30 for a while <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Well, since you have money into your combo now I say keep it and save. It would suck though if you break a R&P and have to dump more $$$ into it.</STRONG>

<IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> Hopefully the only money goin into that thing is axle shafts (which I have a few spares now) I already got like $2K into the fawkin thing cause I paid so much for it. BUT....It is hi pinion and drivers side bolt on for my rig. I paid for convenience <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
 

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Wrangler40,

If you have $$ in your D30 you want to retain, but still want locking hubs, 297 joints, bigger breaks, and the abiltiy to do Hy Steer, have a look at the "Hybrid axle" album in the link below my sig.

Not for the feint of heart - but worked for me.
 

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Anyone got any spare xj shafts I could pick up????
 
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