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Admittedly it’s an inflammatory title, designed to attract the maximum readership…please bear with me.

It’s because of the unrealized potential; the dream of what it could be but just isn’t quite.

When I first joined the board, a short while ago, the first 2 posts I read where about Coby’s wristed arms, and Jesse’s super U-joint project. Goddamn, I thought I’d found Nirvana – this was seriously good hardcore tech.

But over time I began to realize there is a huge amount of posing, flaming, bullshit, and self-aggrandizing chest thumping - a lot of it accomplished with some really juvenile Ebonics and such.

The problem is, you have to filter out so much BS just to get the meat, and it's very tiring.

Take a look - there are sooooo many postings of supposedly "badass" rigs sitting in driveways. No tech info, no details, not interesting at all....just transparent trolling for compliments...and usually the masses are only happy to oblige with pages of "that is sick shit" and "your rig is the crack pipe man" - WTF does that mean???

And how it seems many have taken the idea of "I will be frank and state my opinions" which is an admirable thing...and interpreted as “ I will be immature, juvenile insensitive, and basically be just a social hand grenade because I'm an asshole and I'll hind behind the "tough guy" reputation of the board”. Anyone who tries to respond with maturity and common sense will be accused of wearing panties. All very funny and entertaining, but hardly any use technically.

It has its place and seems to be very popular, but I fear I don't have the time for all the “filler”. I want hardcore tech and I want it all the time. Where people can discuss design principles, suitability of materials, interchange of parts, the relative merits of 1020 DOM versus 4131 tubing, and whether heat treating is necessary. Where people swap technical details of swaps and fabs and projects and what fits what….without the attachment of ego and self-worth.

I dream of a place where if a fella teaches you something, even if it’s in a blunt manner, you act like a man and thank him. Where people are secure enough to admit mistakes and learn from one-another without going into juvenile temper tantrums and name calling.

And where there is NO PLACE for racism or other discrimination, regardless of how well “justified” the author may feel. Where profanity is kept to a minimum and is used as effective emphasis and not as a replacement for effective communication.

I was thinking perhaps of a Yahoo Egroup, where members could read posts on-line or send/receive them via e-mail whichever they prefer.

In summary…no I don’t hate this board , it’s fine for what it is, but it doesn’t suit my needs perfectly, so I thought I would canvass for interest in something else. Namely, a group exclusively for technical minded fabricators and the like, with no chit chat, no discussion of events, no pointless bragging and flaming, where no one gives a damn what kind of "rig" you drivem but just in how you built it and why and what you learned, and where a person is judged by the content, not number, of his posts.

Any interest or should I just un-knot my panties and fuck off?
 

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this will be short and simple. if its seriousness that your looking for then we'd all be wearing suits and ties while wheeling. there is all kinds of knowledge here, you just have to ask for it if you cant find it! jiMMy
 

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Originally posted by BillaVista:
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Any interest or should I just un-knot my panties and fuck off?</STRONG>
I sure wouldn't go that far <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> However, this board has evolved into what it is. Good or bad take it or leave it, this is it. You can start your dream board, and police it as you wish, for free at www.ezboards.com. Good luck. And when you get it started let everyone know.
 

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The hell with it, unknot your panties and fuck off..... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
 

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Are you this dry and crass in day-to-day life? The part of this board that is childish and bullshit is part of the draw. If you can’t have fun with your hobby then I suggest you quit. I love good hard tech info just as much as you. I also enjoy the humor and the personalities found on this board. We are all just big kids playing with our toys. From this post I take it that you are strictly business on the trail and don’t horse around with the people you wheel with. This is a hobby enjoy it. This might help
hob·by1 (h b )
n., pl. hob·bies.
An activity or interest pursued outside one's regular occupation and engaged in primarily for pleasure.

Bottom line, if you don’t like it don’t read it.
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welcome to my hell. i agree for the most part. that is pretty much how the board was but as we have grown so has the # of clowns who dilute the amount of true tech, however the knowledge is still out there it just get presented with more flavor. i belive we are still at the fore front of hard core wheeling and i will contine to work hard at keeping us there. if you have any suggestions for me as how to keep us hard core please let me know.
 

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Originally posted by FearMe:
<STRONG>The hell with it, unknot your panties and fuck off..... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
ha! lol, comw awn now, lets let the others chime in and maybe it willwork out! jiMMy FJNOTCJ
 

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Originally posted by BillaVista:
<STRONG>.I want hardcore tech and I want it all the time. Where people can discuss design principles, suitability of materials, interchange of parts, the relative merits of 1020 DOM versus 4131 tubing, and whether heat treating is necessary. Where people swap technical details of swaps and fabs and projects and what fits what….without the attachment of ego and self-worth.
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Hmmm I remember having debates and discussions about these very topics, and recently too.

I'd hate to see how perfect (and dull) your life is that you have no ROOM for the "Filler" material we all like to call having a good time. IE: entertainment; ever heard of it???

I say un-knot your panties and FUCK OFF! <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/maggie.gif" border="0">
 

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Are you this dry and crass in day-to-day life?
LMAO. That's called hitting the nail on the head. I'm afraid the answer is probably YES!

I take your point. And I wan't to qualify. I don;t mean Pirates; should be abolished. It IS fun, for the reasons you stated, and it IS tremendously popular, and it must take great effort (well done moderators).

It;s just that I am dry and crass and far to serious, and, really, it's a time thing. When you need good quick technical advice without the "fun" and you have little time...where do you go? I was just wondering if there would be interest in something "supplemental" to Pirates.

I guess maybe I'm asking if there are other dry, crass 3 piece suit wearing wheelers looking for tech info? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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I have to agree with you 100%. Don't get me wrong I have had TONS of fun with all the BS on the board and also learned alot. But for the last 6 months I have been working 60 hour weeks, trying to get my truck finish, bought a house and the general crap. I'm pretty busy, just don't have time for all the "fluff".

The search function is where is it at!! It works real well. I use it all the time. But what we really need is a tech section that is not just a step by step how to do something like what we have. It could be another forum that really good tech threads get moved to. Camo had an awesome post on the ram assist steering. It will be MIA in 2 weeks. But if it got moved to a slower tech only forum it would be there for everyone to see.

That's my idea. Search on!!
 

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maybe take a little time out of your busy life style and try to enjoy some web wheeling. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

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matt that is a good idea. let me talk to the boss about it.
 

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Bella, I agree with you on many points, the boards are split up into categories in an attempt to accomplish several of your points, it works OK. There are many people here to screw around and many people here to find tech info. I personally am here for both, it makes the day a little more interesting. When I first started surfing this site 4 or 5 years ago, it was more or less a bunch of locals and people that knew each other. It was almost exclusively tech and wheeling related as time has passed it's become much larger and now has a draw from several different coutries. A large part of this is due to the comedy and character that has naturally developed, for better or worse is just a matter of opinion. In general I'd like to say that this is the best BBS I've ever found on the net hands down! If you like it, stay and participate, if you don't then go
 

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I think the board for pure tech is out there. It's a specific board. This particular board is General 4x4. It's gonna cover trail rides, pics of trucks and the other. The the "tech", I think the specific boards cover that. Like the Chevy, Jeep, Ford sections etc...

I own a Blazer and a Cherokee, and I read the Land Cruiser Board. Lots of GOOD HARD CORE TECH in all those sections without alot of the filler. If you think this board is watered down now, you should have seen it before they made General Chit Chat. Now THAT was watered down. Sure, I don't have a lot of time to spend sifting through some of the shit posts, I try and take about 30 min. one day and go through about the last 3 pages of posts looking for topics that might interest me. Then if I've got time I read em, if not, I come back when I do.

BTW, Unknot yer panties and FUCK OFF!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> j/k
 

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hey you hypocritical moron - practice what you preach THIS IS NOT TECHNICAL MOVE IT TO THE CHIT CHAT SECTION!!
 

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I have been on one particular Toyota mailing list for going on 5 years now. I can honestly say we have covered just about every possible technical issue even remotely related to Toyota 4x4's at least 27 times already.

Tech is good. But if you hang around long enough, PURE tech gets old FAST...
 

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Originally posted by syko:
<STRONG>Are you this dry and crass in day-to-day life? The part of this board that is childish and bullshit is part of the draw. If you can’t have fun with your hobby then I suggest you quit. I love good hard tech info just as much as you. I also enjoy the humor and the personalities found on this board. We are all just big kids playing with our toys. From this post I take it that you are strictly business on the trail and don’t horse around with the people you wheel with. This is a hobby enjoy it. This might help
hob·by1 (h b )
n., pl. hob·bies.
An activity or interest pursued outside one's regular occupation and engaged in primarily for pleasure.

Bottom line, if you don’t like it don’t read it.
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i agree, most here know are stuff and are VERY stressed a lot and like to fool around, but the tech info is always there, as for posting specs of our rigs, check the members section, that is why it is there, no one really wants to type it all out again and again eveytime we make a post
on a rather meaner note, if you want all tech andno fun, by a book, those have a wealth of info in them and are really boring to read
 

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Originally posted by BillaVista:
<STRONG>LMAO. That's called hitting the nail on the head. I'm afraid the answer is probably YES!

I take your point. And I wan't to qualify. I don;t mean Pirates; should be abolished. It IS fun, for the reasons you stated, and it IS tremendously popular, and it must take great effort (well done moderators).

It;s just that I am dry and crass and far to serious, and, really, it's a time thing. When you need good quick technical advice without the "fun" and you have little time...where do you go? I was just wondering if there would be interest in something "supplemental" to Pirates.

I guess maybe I'm asking if there are other dry, crass 3 piece suit wearing wheelers looking for tech info? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
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I don't know?
 

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Having hung around this board for a few years now, and probably being one of the more, er, mature members, I can tell you this board represents the cross-section of society (wow, deep, man!). I would'nt change a thing. Yeah, there's some juvenile crap going on, but there is also a lot of great humor, quality information, and camraderie. If you are purely into all the serious tech talk, then I guess it aint here. What blows me away reading this board is the total pearls of wisdom, inginuity, and knowledge out there. Way better than reading ANY 4 wheeling magazine. Having read those things all you get is the "flavor of the month" or who is buying the most advertising space! They are full of mis-information, half truths, and yes, even juvenile attitude. If you want to hang out with the real people of this sport/hobby hang out here. Sorry if we cant all be technophiles spewing all the engineering data of NASA, but some of us are here for the fun element also, and so I say "Suck it up, Bill, and dont be a party pooper!" <IMG SRC="smilies/maggie.gif" border="0">
 
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