Winches: All Classes

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Lil' Rich

Discussion Starter · Dec 13, 2007

The Mod Stock winch thread got me thinking of several instances where I came up with issues on winches this year... Please remember that Recovery time is the #1 down time at all events.

First was:
"The winch rules states that you must have a minch, not that it works" - BZ earlier this year during an extraction

second was:
"Unhook my winch? Wait you're going to use MY winch to winch ME? Well it doesn't unhook, so you're gonna have to get the recovery vehicle" - I forget who this was, but is kind of pissed me off when it was said to me. I think it happened at Sequatchie, the one site I think we all hate the most, lol. Furthermore the rules don't actually say that they must be ready for self recovery, but this could turnover the event time ten fold.

So this should be resolved, but it is not as important as the other topics. I just wanted to say something while I was thinking about it late at night in China with little to do but sleep and this...

Also, we have refined the recovery situation compared to everyone else and there is more room for success here. Ranch and many others think it is course time that get vehicles through quicker. Notice, we have never once changed course time, yet are still the fastest show with more vehicles than anyone else and harder and more technical courses. The reason why our events move quickly? Extractions... Recoveries... and everythin else that makes time cut down by using a winch.

Thanks for thinking about this, I think it would make my life as an event director and your as a team easier.

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Big Rich

· #2 · Dec 13, 2007

Winches need to work, and need to be able to help extract the vehicle in which they are attacted to. If in an emergency situation, a competitor is needed to winch another vehicle it should be able to do so. In a perfect world like man-made courses this would not be the case, but we still have many evnets that take place in natural locations.

This is my .02 worth and needs to addressed.

Big

RedBullJeep

· #3 · Dec 13, 2007

Part of the initial tech inspection and then the follow-up spot checks, should be a winch check.

DOUG38S

· #4 · Dec 13, 2007

I agree that the winches need to be functioning and in working order. I dont believe that they should be the first line of recovery for the vehicles though. Most recoveries I would probably say have to do with rolls. Do we continue to drag a vehicle around with a snatch block and ruin the vehicle and charging systems because of this. I think there should be a recovery vehicle to properly position the vehicle for a proper recovery. Maybe we need more recovery vehicles at the events.

Big Rich

· #5 · Dec 13, 2007

I agree, they should not be the first line of recovery. Having more recovery is a great idea, but not always possible.

But with all that being said, the winch should be able to work as I posted, for emergency's, and be capable to extract the vehicle that it is attached to.

lt1wrangler

· #6 · Dec 14, 2007 (Edited)

Agreed. I guess its a little different on the east but we "must" have a working winch if you want to finish some of the courses. We had three events last year in the pouring rain with mud climbs. I don't even get why you wouldn't have one that's of ample size and good condition.

TJMagoo

· #7 · Dec 14, 2007

I agree - winches should work and should be checked during tech inspection.

Lil' Rich

Discussion Starter · #8 · Dec 16, 2007

Ok, Should we present this to the Competitors?

desertoy

· #9 · Dec 17, 2007

Lil' Rich said:
Ok, Should we present this to the Competitors?

YES, a working winch with a minimum of 5k rating is not too much to ask.

RedBullJeep

· #10 · Dec 17, 2007

Please present this to the competitors...

SuperRanger

· #11 · Dec 26, 2007

Lil' Rich said:
Ok, Should we present this to the Competitors?

Don't present it, just tell them.:evil: From now on all vehicles should have working winches capable of being used for extraction.

TJMagoo

· #12 · Dec 26, 2007

Is the stock mod rule going to stay 6k or change it to 5k?

Lil' Rich

Discussion Starter · #13 · Dec 26, 2007

Stock should stay at 6k, please tell all teams that the Winch must work for and be detachable for self recovery use from now on, the official ruling:

"All winches must be in completely capable working condition."
"All winch lines must be easily detachable for self-recovery."
"All winches much be capable and ready for use of self recovery."

These will be added to the rulebook for the 2008 year and on...

Jason Paule

· #14 · Dec 27, 2007

Lil' Rich said:
Stock should stay at 6k, please tell all teams that the Winch must work for and be detachable for self recovery use from now on, the official ruling:

"All winches must be in completely capable working condition."
"All winch lines must be easily detachable for self-recovery."
"All winches much be capable and ready for use of self recovery."

These will be added to the rulebook for the 2008 year and on...

A working and able to use 6k winch should be required for all classes--no ?. Its so obvious that it could speed up recovery!

RedBullJeep

· #15 · Dec 27, 2007

Jason, right now the rule is 5000 for Unlimited and Pro Modified because Ramsey came out with an ultralight competition winch a few years back, UROC changed to allow it, then the competitors lobbied the Riches because it was tough on them to have different specs between the two promoters. Right now, the rule reads 5K for Unlim, 5K for Pro Mod, and 6k for Stock Mod.

An unlim competitor is switching the Stock Mod and wants to re-use his parts so asked for the Stock rule to change. My opinion is for something bolt on, like a winch, it should be the same in all classes.

FYI, it has been a rule that the winch needs to work for a couple years now...a few teams just choose to ignore it and it's something W.E.ROCK didn't know to check on. They will be checking this year.

RedBullJeep

· #16 · Dec 27, 2007

BTW, the new lighter weight Ramsey competition winch is 6000 lbs...

http://www.ramsey.com/winches/triplex6000.html

There is still a number of teams running the old 5k winches though.

TJMagoo

· #17 · Dec 27, 2007

I'll let the stock guys know. Thanks!

RedBullJeep

· #18 · Dec 27, 2007

You'll let them know what???

TJMagoo

· #19 · Dec 27, 2007

Lil' Rich said:
Stock should stay at 6k, please tell all teams that the Winch must work for and be detachable for self recovery use from now on, the official ruling:

"All winches must be in completely capable working condition."
"All winch lines must be easily detachable for self-recovery."
"All winches much be capable and ready for use of self recovery."

These will be added to the rulebook for the 2008 year and on...

This is what I will let them know.

TJMagoo

· #20 · Dec 28, 2007

Ok just to be clear - we are talking about the "main" winch, correct? We are still allowed to use the little winches to sinch down our axles. Just our main winch must be more at least 6k and work, correct?

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