freightliner FL60/70 or International 4700

DSI · Oct 23, 2012

So I recently bought what's refered to as the "double wide" of race trailers, 50ft 27ft garage 14ft living quarters, slide out, real sized bathroom, etc etc etc, well it weight's 13,500 dry. My 2011 SRW Dodge tow's it empty fine. getting moving isn't exactly a good feeling through the trans though. Now loaded, it slips, flat out slips until the converter locks, and won't go much over 35 up donner summit loaded, at max safe EGT's and water temp passing 225.

Been looking at the FL60/70's and 4700's, preferably a hydraulic brake version, but finding affordable super high mileage ones isn't exactly easy. Been looking at box trucks, flat bed's etc to shorten up and use for towing duty.

I like the FL's since they come with a 12valve cummins option to either a 6 or 7 speed.

Any input where to find one that isn't going to cost my only remaining kidney? I've been all over the net to the classified sites, still over priced.

Input?

87manche · Oct 23, 2012

check the interesting trucks for sale thread.

what kind of budget are you looking for?

skipped_Link · Oct 23, 2012

If your not happy with 35 over donner, you really don't want a 12v 5.9

I have nothing to offer other than I would look for a something with the 8.3L cummins in it.
lots more potential in the same chassis you are looking at.
Are you wanting a 4 door, Or will a regular cab work?
I'm assuming juice brakes to avoid CDL?
I think anything over 26k requires a CDL anyway,
Might open up some options by looking at the air brake trucks aswell, unless there are other reasons for not wanting air.

DSI · Oct 23, 2012

skipped_Link said:
If your not happy with 35 over donner, you really don't want a 12v 5.9

I have nothing to offer other than I would look for a something with the 8.3L cummins in it.
lots more potential in the same chassis you are looking at.
Are you wanting a 4 door, Or will a regular cab work?
I'm assuming juice brakes to avoid CDL?
I think anything over 26k requires a CDL anyway,
Might open up some options by looking at the air brake trucks aswell, unless there are other reasons for not wanting air.

The slow speeds aren't the end of the world, but boiling over the water and egt's through the roof on the new truck isn't going to make it last long, just want reliable, and no CDL. I'm an incomplete paraplegic, and can't pass any part of a CDL test requiring a physical. so I've got to stay hydro brakes.

skipped_Link · Oct 23, 2012

I hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong, but over 26k you have to have a CDL regardless of brakes,
your trailer dry at 13,500+ the truck you are looking at (probably around 10K) not much cushion for rig, gear, water ect,

I really hope I'm wrong on the 26K thing cause I'm going to be over that myself,
But everything I've heard so far is 26k & above = CDL time.

DSI · Oct 23, 2012

skipped_Link said:
If your not happy with 35 over donner, you really don't want a 12v 5.9

I have nothing to offer other than I would look for a something with the 8.3L cummins in it.
lots more potential in the same chassis you are looking at.
Are you wanting a 4 door, Or will a regular cab work?
I'm assuming juice brakes to avoid CDL?
I think anything over 26k requires a CDL anyway,
Might open up some options by looking at the air brake trucks aswell, unless there are other reasons for not wanting air.

The slow speeds aren't the end of the world, but boiling over the water and egt's through the roof on the new truck isn't going to make it last long, just want reliable, and no CDL. I'm an incomplete paraplegic, and can't pass any part of a CDL test requiring a physical. so I've got to stay hydro brakes.

jimhat · Oct 23, 2012

Over 26k requires cdl

406 YJ · Oct 23, 2012

I sold a 4700 to buy a Fl70. Both will not win a drag race, I had to give more for this Freightliner but it has a generator to keep the fridge cold, air ride, a restroom, a booth that folds down to a bed (only sleeps one). I gave 24000 for it and had to send a buddy to GA to pick it up. Had 232000 miles on it. Cummins motor. I went with a sick shift since most rocks are not where there is flat ground. Mine is a 99 or 2000. I don't know if this is of much help or not?

I pull a big ass trailer too. My trailer alone is 26000 grvw. It has a diesel generator that is large enough to power a small town and hold 75 gal of fuel on the front of it. The freightliner wins hands down in the stoping dept.

If you get one with a restroom you can seek in on the "RV" end of things. I have mine tagged as an RV

Don't have many pics of the truck... sorry.

montecarlo31 · Oct 23, 2012

406 YJ said:
I sold a 4700 to buy a Fl70. Both will not win a drag race, I had to give more for this Freightliner but it has a generator to keep the fridge cold, air ride, a restroom, a booth that folds down to a bed (only sleeps one). I gave 24000 for it and had to send a buddy to GA to pick it up. Had 232000 miles on it. Cummins motor. I went with a sick shift since most rocks are not where there is flat ground. Mine is a 99 or 2000. I don't know if this is of much help or not?

I pull a big ass trailer too. My trailer alone is 26000 grvw. It has a diesel generator that is large enough to power a small town and hold 75 gal of fuel on the front of it. The freightliner wins hands down in the stoping dept.

If you get one with a restroom you can seek in on the "RV" end of things. I have mine tagged as an RV

That's a nice set up there. Does your buggy fit inside the trailer? What's the scoop on the trailer.../hijack.

406 YJ · Oct 23, 2012

montecarlo31 said:
That's a nice set up there. Does your buggy fit inside the trailer? What's the scoop on the trailer.../hijack.

The top is a look out tower. There is a ladder in the trailer that allows you to go to the roof. You fold the sides up and there is no way for someone to fall off. Great place to hang banners.

Hail punched a hole in the plastic dome of the the satalite but outside of that it's been a lot of trailer for the money. Back to the topic of the thread. You will pay more for a FL but your resale will be higher too. If you are plling a 50' trailer like it or not you are in CDL range. I'm sure it has 3 axles and as a guy that did LQ in trailers I know you are over on weight. Some states are cool. Some are dicks. One of my small box trucks (a van not a truck) just got slapped with a 750 dollar fine for not pulling into a weight station. That was a first. IN short. If they want to be dicks the will be. I follow the speed limit, go slow thru towns and I'm yet to get fawked with (keeps fingers crossed on one hand).

jcraig · Oct 23, 2012

I don't think that you would be required to pass an physical to get your cdl as long as you where not making money with it. I have a class a CD and have never had to pass one at least.

DSI · Oct 23, 2012

jcraig said:
I don't think that you would be required to pass an physical to get your cdl as long as you where not making money with it. I have a class a CD and have never had to pass one at least.

Different state

I checked, i'd have to find a driver if I went air brakes. Though I can get some larger series tractors for DIRT cheap if I was able to do air brakes. M11 cummins 9speed's etc.. under 5grand

lurchseesu · Oct 23, 2012

I'd try to go the RV-registered route if you're planning on grossing 26k+. I'm thinking they're generally legal up to 65k gross, and have airbrakes and all without the hassle of a CDL or its associated DOT physical. Though that in itself can be a big hassle if you're not in the right state. Look into the requirements of what an RV in your state needs to have. A lot of people just do the portable toilet thing to get past the shitter requirement.

But yeah, definitely go 8.3 (or bigger) for freightliners/fords/KW's/Petes/etc and 466 (or bigger) for IH's. 5.9's will be a dog in a truck that size. 8.3's and 466's would last longer being turned up in something that size.

skipped_Link · Oct 23, 2012

DSI said:
Though I can get some larger series tractors for DIRT cheap if I was able to do air brakes. M11 cummins 9speed's etc.. under 5grand

Some of those trucks with the big sleeper has what is required for RV registration in some states, not sure about NV tho, I never though about going the RV route,

I was told a the DMV & by the comercial trooper that I did not have to have a CDL to drive my air brake truck as long as it is for personal use only,
Who told you that you had to have one to drive an air brake truck?

By the way, I'm not arguing that you should get an air brake truck, I'm just curiouse, since we are close to the same situation in the same state,

threadkiller · Oct 23, 2012

Why can't you just get an air brake endorsement?

miniwally · Oct 23, 2012

Kid that works in our office picked up a GM 6500? with a Cat motor in it from the local lumber yard. It was a delivery truck that always had a lot of blowby. He found that Cat has some issue with oil pans and amount of oil in them. Basically the blowby issue was an over full oil issue. It's a hydraulic brake truck too. I think he paid $5,000 for it, 20' dump flat bed etc. normal lumber delivery stuff.

Point is keep an eye out as there can be some odd ball issues that might make an ignorant person think the truck is worth less.

skipped_Link · Oct 23, 2012

threadkiller said:
Why can't you just get an air brake endorsement?

I don't think they have one in NV, I asked about this at the DMV & was told it wasn't available, the guy asked what for, I told him I wanted to use my peterbilt to haul my other rigs, he said if it's not for commercial use I do not need a CDL, I said even for air brakes, his reply was "Nope"
He did mention something about being under 26k lbs,
That's why I asked about that earlier.

DSI · Oct 23, 2012

I'm not an NV resident. I just vacation here, alot

I couldn't find anything with a bigger engine that was wet brakes sadly. Though i also found a fair ammount of 3126 cat's but was told to steer clear for some reason.

87manche · Oct 23, 2012

I think your best bet might be an ex expeditor truck.

Just be cautious as they're usually pretty well used up by the time they put them up for sale.

but, most are FL 60/70, have a sleeper that you could outfit to get legal RV status, and you could sell the box as a storage shed or something and then build yourself a flat deck on the back.

this one is a friends:

http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/cto/3301363777.html

8.3L cummins in a short and heavy spec F800 chassis.

skipped_Link · Oct 23, 2012

Cool I'll shut up about the NV licence thing then,

3126 is actually an electrictrically controlled 3116, the 3126 had a few issues but nothing terrible that I'm aware of,
keep in mind it is only 6.6 liters, thats a pretty small engine for what you want to do.

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