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This is just a quick write-up of my swap from v-belts to a serpentine belt on my 87 YJ 4.2.

Cliffs: 4.2 YJ serpentine swap using 2.5 Comanche parts

Why? A couple reasons for me. First, my stock accessories never seemed to line up very well. The PS pump was set back too far so I lost a few belts on the trail in the last couple years. Second, my alternator was a PITA to tension and the bracket flexed a bit so it would always have issues squeaking under load. This also gives me more options with the PS pump and an external res for more fluid. I always had issues keeping steering fluid in the res since adding hydro assist so that is taken care of now.

Now for the how. I've seen several pictures of CJs and YJ (4.2) with a serpentine belt, but they all either had AC, or a goofy idler setup on top where the AC compressor should be on a non-AC Jeep. Hard to find parts isn't what I wanted.

I hit the junk yard to check out some 4.0 Cherokees which are always abundant to see if the parts could transfer over. After checking a few I saw that the PS pump bolted through the bracket to the manifold, and my 4.2 manifold didn't have the proper casting for that. I also wasn't sure the lower alternator bracket would match my block.

I checked a few more and came across a Comanche (88) that looked very interesting. It was a non-AC truck, and to my memory it appeared the brackets for power steering and the alternator matched my motor. I started pulling the parts off and was about 1/2 way through when I noticed this was a 2.5L 4cyl. I took a quick walk to see if there was anything with a 4.2 in the yard (there wasn't) and came back to the Comanche. I was pretty sure the parts were right, so it finished pulling everything and headed out.

I don't have a great before pic, but this should give an idea. Standard v-belt setup
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I stripped off the original alternator and power steering brackets and got to work fitting the new brackets. By fitting, I mean bolting on. Everything matched up to my 258 perfectly.

Pump bracket. 2 bolts into the intake manifold, and 2 into the water pump
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Alternator. 3 bolts into the block and 2 through the timing cover.
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After my successful mock-up with the new brackets, I went ahead with the swap. New balancer, new water pump, new alternator, and new PS pump. The steering pump and alternator are both spec'd for the 4cyl Cherokee. I found a 93 Grand AM GT uses the same alternator, and there are high amp options available as well. I also happened to have the required adapter for the alternator plug from years ago when I was planning to swap my alternator and never did. This is NAPA p/n ECH EC82.

For the belt, I figured it would use the standard belt from the 4cyl, but the parts stores list a 73-1/2" belt. This was too long so it did some searching and ended up with a K060703 belt which is 70-7/8" long.

Here is the end result. I didn't think to take pictures until I had the radiator back in, but here are the finished pics.

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I know not a lot of people bother to spend the time or money swapping the belts like this. I searched a bit before I started and I was surprised I didn't find any previous mention of using these brackets on a 4.2. Since Jeep obviously had the brackets, I'm also surprised they never used them from the factory. Maybe this will help someone else of with a future project.

Enjoy
 
Great write up!

Couple questions...

  • So, this swap uses the brackets AND accessories for the 2.5?
  • Did you use the 4.2 or 2.5 water pump?
  • How does the PS Pump from the 2.5 work with your hydro assist? Any issues? Have enough power?
  • Does your stock PS pressure line fitting bolt directly to the 2.5 PS pump?
  • Were you already using a remote PS reservoir? Or, did you use the stock from the 2.5 or aftermarket reservoir?

Also, which fan are you using?

Thanks!
 
If you can find a later AMC Eagle with a 258 in the junkyard, they have serpentine belts too. I saw one in the yard when I still had my YJ and pondered taking it all for the Jeep.
Travis..
 
Discussion starter · #5 · (Edited)
I used a 4.2 water pump, but one that was for a serpentine engine. It looks exactly the same, just w/ the fins reversed.

I used the PS pump for the same model 2.5 I pulled the parts from, and I used the pulley off the pump from the junk yard. I was able to use all the original lines and fittings. I ended up cutting the return line a little shorter to match the new res location.

The steering reservoir was from the same truck in the junk yard but there are several options you could use. I just used the res and feed line I pulled from the junk yard initially. I've currently got an aluminum res I will be installing but haven't done it yet.

As for the pump performance, I drilled the pressure port out just a bit (I think 1/8") to try and get a little more volume. My steering has always been a bit slow because I'm running the trail-gear 2" ram. It might have improved slightly with the larger port but nothing noteworthy. It is not any worse than the old pump for sure. If I move to a smaller diameter ram for the assist I expect it would be fast.

The fan I installed at the same time as the serpentine setup is from a mid 90s Volvo. The first picture was the Taurus fan I had been running for a few years.
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
I haven't looked closely at a TJ. On my wife's 93 YJ, and the Cherokee 4.0s I looked at, the way the pump mounted to the manifold was completely different. Also I think 1 of the holes in the block on the alternator bracket was different.

I didn't get a chance to look at any other 4cyl motors so I can't confirm the layout.
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
I would think most any older 4cyl would work (87-90ish Cherokee, Comanche, or maybe even a YJ), but the Comanche was the only one I found with a 4cyl in the local yard.


Here's a pic I found on a google image search that stated it's a 93 YJ 4cyl. It appears to have the correct PS pump bracket, and for the alternator it appears to be the more easily upgraded model from later YJs.

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What did you do for the power steering pressure line to the gear box? The cj box I have has a long straight section and 2 90s at the end. The one off the yj motor does a really tight turn up and in to the box?

Any pics of what you did?
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
IIRC, I used the original pressure and return lines for my steering. I believe the original pump had the line coming out the of the back so it just rotated the metal end of the pressure line 90Âş. I didn't have to bend or modify the hose in any way.

I'll snap a picture this evening and post up.
 
Help With Alt...

Awesome that pic. helped. Last night when I asked it was late and thought you stated using the PS lines from the commanche.

So here is my new issue and I could really use the help. The brackets I have came off a 92 2.5l. When I pulled them everything looked the same as your setup. Wrong!!! The Alternator is different. The alternator this bracket requires is pictured here: I thought I had an 88 setup but it appears to be from a 92 as that was the year that matched this style at Autozone.

At any rate here is the alt. I have that fits the bracket:






Do you have any idea how to wires this up? Currently I have the stock CJ 258 set up with the charge wire coming out and the 2 prong plastic clip.

Is this new alternator Internally regulated or is it supposed to be computer regulated?

Is there an alternator set up that I can use in this bracket that would be easier?

Thanks a bunch for the help. I am afraid I bit off more than I can chew right now.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
I believe that would be regulated by the computer like you mentioned. I haven't ever messed with them, but I would think you could run a standalone voltage regulator.

Maybe someone else who's done it before will chime in.
 
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