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ok, doing a side charging AK but different but the same as some other company but different. :flipoff2:

AK charging handle = reciprocating, does not matter side.
AK charging handle = pointy thing to jab you when slung.
L1A1 (FAL) folding charging handle = neither

That being said doing a left side charge AK or even a FAL charge handle AK has been done, problem is it leaves a nice open hole for shit to get in even with a FAL charging handle because people remove the part of the FAL handle that does that job, the tail.

Why they chop off the tail is for some reason they do not like it sticking out beyond the receiver when you charge the weapon (AR or AK) but in reality who the fuck cares as there is NOTHING there to get hit by the tail, your flesh included.

BUT :D does an AK really need to get charged ALL the way to the rear as the factory handle allows? The slot is cut that far back due to the reciprocation during recoil, not necessarily for charging the weapon. An AK will still reset the hammer (before even passing the magwell fully) and will cycle a round from the magazine ass end every time. (not needing to go all the way back).
So do you think that the BCG "need" to go back all the way on charging?

Reason I say this is then a FAL style slot could be welded on the FLAT side of the left side of the dust cover and be able to charge the weapon, WITH the full FAL tail, and only have maybe 1/4" go past the ass of the reciever. This is with the bolt going 1/4" or so past where needed to pickup a round.

Then you have an "easy" mod anyone can do, only mods needed would be weld the handle slot and notch the trunnion for the post as it would contact the front of the carrier that hits that spot.

input?
 
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Not really... I dont subscribe... but this has my interest.

Uh.... :idea:....go for it! :flipoff2:
 
Part of AK reliability is the long stroke and high inertia when the bolt strips a round out of the mag. 1/4" won't give the spring much time to accelerate the bolt.
This^^
It gives the carrier time to speed up and strip the first round off the mag more reliably. Especially important if your design eliminates forward assisting of a stuck carrier.
 
As long as it strips a round ok, I think you'd be ok without going all the way back. The springs are pretty stout.

Try it with a regular charging handle. Pull it back so that it just clears the back of the magazine, and release. See if it loads, and locks up ok.

Are you planning on deleting the normal charging handle?
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
ok, to clarify :laughing:

the short stroke is ONLY when manually charging the weapon, NOT when the weapon is firing.

There is nothing limiting the full backwards travel of the BCG.

When the weapon is firing the BCG travels its "normal" distance and velocity.

I have fucked with all of my AK's and they will chamber a round every time if the BCG is manually pulled back just past the magwell and let go. The charging handle as a forward assist is not needed because the BCG is exposed on an AK, just use your thumb on it :flipoff2:
 
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We need pics with illustrations to see what your trying to say:flipoff2:
fine :flipoff2:

"normal" AK manual full charging distance:


proposed new manual charging distance with a FAL handle:





On all AK's the weapon will always chamber a round fully from that distance that I have tried.
 
All of my AKs will strip and fully chamber a round from any magazine if I pull the handle back just enough to clear a round. I imagine most range warriors' guns would be the same.
 
All of my AKs will strip and fully chamber a round from any magazine if I pull the handle back just enough to clear a round.
I only have about 30 variants handy, but mine all do too.
 
ok, to clarify :laughing:

the short stroke is ONLY when manually charging the weapon, NOT when the weapon is firing.

There is nothing limiting the full backwards travel of the BCG.

When the weapon is firing the BCG travels its "normal" distance and velocity.

I have with all of my AK's and they will chamber a round every time if the BCG is manually pulled back just past the magwell and let go. The charging handle as a forward assist is not needed because the BCG is exposed on an AK, just use your thumb on it :flipoff2:
I say it works fine. dooo ittt
 
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