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I have look around in here to see which mogs are the strongest from an overall perspective. What I mean by overall is portal boxes and all. I am not experience with mogs but the more I see the more I want some. so 404's? 416's? which of all the mog axles are the strongest and where do they rate among the more commone stuff like dana 60s and and 2 1/2 tons.

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I have a 404 & a 416, and the 416 diffenetly looks heavier duty I would have to agree with briejer I think that's a reasonable estimate. I do know from talking on the Mog forum and to Mog service shops that the Mog axels are strong but the transmissions can only take up to 200 hp. Anything more and you start to have problems. If you get really serious about buying some talk to Scott at Expedition Imports in Vallejo CA, he specializes in Mogs and can give you the most accurate information

Have you looked into getting a mog instead of just the running gear? I've owned of a 99 TJ and 73 FJ40 both heavily modified and my 404 & 416 are far suppier stock. After modifying my 404 I'm blown away at the performance. Mog advantages: clearance everywhere, strength, gearing, lockers F&R cable driven, Coil Suspension, many gears forward & reverse, and many more little cool things. Mogs are also more available than people think. If you haven't seen them offroad check out you tube. Here is a link to my site to see a mog turned into a rock crawler: http://web.mac.com/dansflb/iWeb/DanDreher/Unimog Photos.html

Good luck to you!
Dan
 
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txzuk1988 said:
which of all the mog axles are the strongest
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like briejer.. not based in fact, just many moons of reading. although we have a pretty significant discrepancy in the 406-416's

404= 1.5 ton
406-416= 4 ton
u1000= 5 ton
u1300= 6 ton.

anything other than a 404 simply dwarves a 2.5 rock from what i've seen.
 
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I know this subject has been beaten to death and I've seen a couple discussions in other forums but I figure I'll ask the experts. Are 404's as reliable/strong as 1-tons (even running big tires with sideloading) and what can be done (I know that new portal boxes are available) to maximize strength. I realize that 416's are much stronger but they're also much heavier and to be honest 404's are really heavier than I'd like to run. These will be under a 4-runner running 4.3, 700R4, doubler (still deciding on wether a d300 based or something else), and 40"+ tires. It's not going to be a comp buggy that gets flogged insanely on a regular basis, but I also want to be able to romp on it with a vehicle full of people and gear and not worry.

If mog's don't seem to fit the bill I'll look into Portal Tek's stuff and save my pennies. : ) They seem like really stand up guys and their axles look very nice.
 
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the 404s are as strong as a stock hp 60, the long shaft likes to break (mine did at least), replace them with cromoly shafts and stick to less than a 40" tire, you'll be good under the little chevy power.
 
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*not an expert by any means*

but i think you'll be fine with 404's as long as you buy the weld on horseshoes to beef up the box'es.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys. The only real strength issue I was concerned about is really related to the side loading and it sounds like beefing up the boxes should take care of that. I doubt I'd break a shaft and the rest of the axle is just overkill for my rig. Minus the axles it should be a fairly light rig compared with a mog. Anyone have a preference for 8 lug/disc brake conversion and pinion conversion? EXAXT? Killeraxles? Probably stirring the pot here huh... :flipoff2: Will probably use toyota d-shafts and flanges on the axles, especially if I end up using 23spline toyota duals.

I'm really looking for something that will be fairly street worthy and durable as this rig will be used for camping, mild expedition duty and of course all but the nastiest of buggy only trails. I'd hate to be broken down in BFE and have to source mog parts... :D

Thanks for your help guys, this forum sure does seem a lot friendlier than the toyota forum. :D
 
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Evilwhitey said:
The only real strength issue I was concerned about is really related to the side loading and it sounds like beefing up the boxes should take care of that.
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I think it depends on the particular set of axles you get and what they have been through in their first life.
I have bent wheels and axle housings from side impacts from big rolls and the boxes (no gussets or horseshoes etc) have been completely fine.
 
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Evilwhitey said:
The only real strength issue I was concerned about is really related to the side loading and it sounds like beefing up the boxes should take care of that. I doubt I'd break a shaft and the rest of the axle is just overkill for my rig. Minus the axles it should be a fairly light rig compared with a mog. Anyone have a preference for 8 lug/disc brake conversion and pinion conversion? EXAXT? Killeraxles?
I'd hate to be broken down in BFE and have to source mog parts... :D
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Reinforcing the portals and the "C"'s (if your using a steer axle in the rear) is about all you need to do.
I got may 8 lug conversion from Killer axles...worked well!
If you breakdown in BFE , there is a guy there in Moab that will probably have anything you need from a axle standpoint....he fixed me up in my time of need. He is a guy that takes people sight-seeing in unimogs. Has his own machine shop too.
Good Luck!
 
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sceep said:
like briejer.. not based in fact, just many moons of reading. although we have a pretty significant discrepancy in the 406-416's

404= 1.5 ton
406-416= 4 ton
u1000= 5 ton
u1300= 6 ton.

anything other than a 404 simply dwarves a 2.5 rock from what i've seen.
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hi new here

just like to comment that 406/416, U1000-U1500 are all pretty much the same axle as far as strength. some of the internal parts like ring and pinion and the portal gears are indentical.
 
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dieters said:
I am belgium and my language is not so good but i have a question,
is it posible that the front axle is less strong than the rear from a 404
because the shaft in the front is not as fat like in the rear o o o ....
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Won't have much problem with the axle's...they are plenty strong because of portal....area's mentioned above is your concern.
 
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Tmax said:
hi new here

just like to comment that 406/416, U1000-U1500 are all pretty much the same axle as far as strength. some of the internal parts like ring and pinion and the portal gears are indentical.
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U1300/1550 rear axle GAWR 46-5500 kg. Front = 4000 kg
U1700/2150/2450/5000 rear axle GAWR 8500 kg. Front = 6200 kg
U500 rear axle plated rating 9000 kg. Front = 7500 kg

Charlie
 
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dietercas said:
is there someone here who had make his portals stronger? from the 404
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Strengthening the portals to keep the case from trying to expand outward is needed when you have a heavy body and extreme riding or ultra extreme or just don't know when to take your foot out of it! Beefing up the "C's" and increasing the size of the kingpins may be needed when you have a steer axle in rear and again you have a heavy body and steer the rear in situations when a lot of weight is on that axle. That's the weak points I've encountered. Good Luck!
 
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