I like my offroad design doubler. works great. I made my own shifter setup, and it works ok, but the offroad design shifter is a nice unit.

I doubt you'd ever need more 'clocking' than the Offroad Design doubler offers unless your building a buggy. for something that will be street driven ive never had a problem with the one I have.

plus that 'clockability' (and this is only my opinion so others may weigh in and have a different opinion/experience) makes for one more point to leak and a possible weak spot. there's been times ive had my truck come down on the transfer case rock crawling and it's no worse for wear.

you also might try this guy for shifters: JB Custom Fabrication Stainless steel off road transfer case shifters

what kind of truck are you building/what trans are you running?

 

It's a 90 4Runner with a 4.3. I'm gunna run all 32 spline 465/203/205. I have a couple friends who have both of the kits. They have never had a problem with ord. but the guys with NWFs kit really like the clockability and the fact they can be ordered with cable shifters. Either kit hasn't really shown any weakness. Plus nwf is a little bit cheaper but not by much. I just wanna get rid of my Toyota cases and put something in I don't have to worry about you know.

 

Why are you SOO set on a stick. that rig needs a th350/th400 behind it...

there really is NO advantage to a manual in a rock rig anymore (my opinion) and autos are SOO much easier on the drivetrain.

 

this is My old rig.

IMO I would forget about a 203, and look into a titan black box. the 241 based doublers are IMO stronger, LIGHTER, SHORTER, and just overall a nicer option

this is a Behemoth version, the NWF one is a nicer version, notice how its just a bit longer than a stock 205, and it gives you 6 bolt round pattern clockability

 

i already have the trans and tcases. I do agree though auto would be bad ass and it would have less stress on other components. But the reliability is what I like about 465s. I got everything for a decent price and its what a couple of my buddy's run. Eventually I will probably do a th400/atlas. That doubler set up you got is bad ass though.

 

nwf do have a weakness of the treads pulling out of the adapter halfs. it was said that he was going to use steel inserts to resolve it but idk if that ever happend.

the ord can be orderd in 3 positions and patterns.

planetary boxes are great as doublers because they are basicaly doubler and the adapters in one. ord uses a 1p output-205 input and its pretty slick.

what 465 do you have?

 

nwf do have a weakness of the treads pulling out of the adapter halfs. it was said that he was going to use steel inserts to resolve it but idk if that ever happend.

the ord can be orderd in 3 positions and patterns.

planetary boxes are great as doublers because they are basicaly doubler and the adapters in one. ord uses a 1p output-205 input and its pretty slick.

what 465 do you have?

NWF and Behemoth use the same thing. behemoth called it the "shorty" when he was still around, and NWF calls his unit with an intermediate shaft the Titan I believe. they are all the same basic idea, just one shaft that gous into the sun gear of the planetary set and is also the complete input for the 205... they are definantly stronger than the coupler between any other type of doubler...

 

It's the long 32 spline sm465. It came mated to a np208. I don't remember the year of the donor.

 

Another vote for ditching the 203 and using a black box or econo box in front of the 205. 203/205 doublers are stupid heavy and you gain more versatile gearing with a black box.

I had the 465/203/205 setup in my last rig and I liked it for the most part but I'd never run the 203/205 combo again when you could build the econo box/205 for roughly the same price.

 

We run the ORD 203/205 setup with the cable operated triple stick. Works perfect.

The one thing we would change is loosing the 203 for a planetary on the front of the 205. The main reason is for the gear spread. 203/205 is something like 1.96/1.96/3.84 where the planetary/205 can be 2.73/1.96/5.35. That's a much better gear spread.

FWIW we run sticks vs autos. Just our preference.

 

I got a 32 spline 203 for cheap. Eventually I want to do a th400/atlas2. I got a good deal on my trans and tcases so I'm gunna run with them until they give me issues or until funds allow an overhaul.

 

when running a doubler and higher power engines it's better to remember: only use the front reduction box after the rear box is in low range. it is possible to break an input on a 205 if high power is put in. example: transmission in 1st gear, reduction box in low range, transfer in 4wd high range could equal :nuke:

its better to run the middle reduction box in high range until you need that extra low range then shift it in.

 

I run the Jeds Machining 203/205 doubler in my YJ. It's an all steel adapter welded to whatever clocked angle you want with 3 "clocking" holes (6* up and 6* down of whatever angle you have it welded to....iirc). I chose it because it was cheaper than the other ALUMINUM options, and seemed more robust in my simple/cheap thinking at the time.

I love my doubler and have beat on it fairly hard behind my 351w and T-18 (another manual box guy who will definitely encourage an auto in a trail only rig), but if I had to do it again, I would definitely do an ORD Magnum box or NWF Titan box; BOTH use the beefy modified NP205 input gear to give ultimate strength, short packaging and a TRUE 4 speed doubler being able to put the reduction box in low with the case in high... They are pricy, but I believe they are the best of all worlds when it comes down to it.

 

I have a Jed's Machine 203/205 doubler which is great, super beefy all steel. I wasn't sure exactly how I needed to clock it, so I liked the fact I could clock it and weld it. At the time I did my doubler, planetary/205 doublers were not that common.

The NWF fab kit had (not sure if they fixed it) problems with the threads stripping out on the aluminum clocking adapter.

The 203/205 doubler is really strong, but since they have the same ratio 1.96/2.0,
You get 1:1, 2.0:1, & 3.92:1
I would look at the Black box/205 241/205 doubler or the ORD Magnum. You miss out on gear options that you get with a planetary style 241/205 or a Magnum doubler.
1:1, 1.96:1, 2.72:1, & 5.33:1
Magnum Box

 

There is a reason everyone here keeps telling you do do a planetary box. Sell the 203. Why do it twice? A black box Titan and a 205 is superior to an atlas in every aspect except for weight.

 

I like the planets for the additional ratio. Since he has a round pattern now its that much easier to do the job. Hes spending alot of money to lose a gear selection.

 

I agree...

 

Since we sell both we get to compare this all the time and the 203 reduction box still make sense sometimes.
At this point the Doubler cost is:
$770 for doubler kit
$190 for input conversion (assuming he doesn't have a 32 spline 205)
Shifter which is the same for either system
Boring out the 205 which happens either way

There is the extra work of mating the 203 box to the 208 adapter but that's not too hard and a couple hours in the garage with minimal tools has it done easily. The fact it does have to be done can still be factored in if you have to pay someone to do it when a Magnum will bolt right on.

So, for $960 plus shifter and 203 drilling (cheap/free) and 205 boring (maybe) this guy is ready to go. The Magnum is $1990 plus shifter and 205 boring (maybe). The planet box does bring all the awesome available in a T-case but the 203 box gets it done well and will save a good chunk of money in this case. Even if you factor in selling the 32 spl. 203 reduction box the gap is there.

 

the NWF econobox is $730 and is every bit as strong as any 203 doubler. the prices you quoted for the titan are for an integrated doubler and the 203 doubler isnt integrated... there is NO advantage to a 203 doubler.

also since the OP said he is going to put an atlas in later there is simply no comparison between a titan/205 and a 2 speed atlas strength wise, cost wise, and length wise, and as someone who oned his rig before he did, the on area an atlas wins (weight) is irreverent on that rig

 

There are situations were a 203 system works out well.

This isnt one of them.

And i dont get the doubler now atlas later. Do it now or stick with what you get. Otherwise your end game costs you 2x as much.

 

I agree, but the OP is young, and will have to learn the hard way like the rest of us did.

 

the days of the ATLAS being the end all beat all are long gone. a planetary 241\205 or a hero are both FAR superior choices IMO, and advanced adapters needs to step up their game to stay current.

 

I have installed 3 ORD doublers in others rigs. Nice unit, well built. I ran a NWF 203/300 doubler in my rig for several years. I prefer their unit over the ORD any day. Had some issues with the clocking bolts working loose but it had to do with my mount/cross members and not their design. I have since put it in the kids rig and it is still going great.

That being said, for the new rig I went with the NWF Eco box to 205 and JB Fab shifter's. The Eco box is an amazing piece of work and I am very glad I went with it and would never got box to a 203 to whatever doubler.

 

My problem right now is my budget. The ord magnum box interests me but its too expensive for me at the moment. The 203/205 can take a beating I'm sure we can all agree on that. I don't have a high horsepower engine so as long an I don't run the 203 in low 205 in high there shouldn't be much of an issue. My truck is pretty heavy though. The 203/205 is heavy aswell. A magnum box/ 205 is lighter and has that "fat shaft" which makes that connection stronger. I have the main components to make the 203/205 happen. A 32 spline 203 and a 32 long spline 205. I would need to covert it to short shaft for the 203/205. If I went magnum box it would come with a new input for the 205 so I wouldn't have to spend the extra on that input. I'm not as experienced as all of you so your input is appreciated. I'm thinking just save up a little more and do it right with a planetary. Does ord make a triple stick shifter for the magnum box/205? I couldn't find it on their website.

 

If youre dead set on 465 203 then you had better jump on this. Good price, they often go for $400+.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/engines-trannys-t-cases-sale/1945162-np203-adapter.html

Then you just need a 10spl 465 tail shaft.