Springfield M6 - .22/.410
Armalite AR7 - Take down .22 that is stored in the stock, that also floats

http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-survival-ar7.cfm

Both are pretty decent rifles.

 

Pete, Pm me a price for this.....:flipoff2:

 

Is there a specific reason that you'd like the ability to shoot 410?

The Papoose and the 10/22 would be viable choices if the 410 wasn't a requirement.

 

So I can carry a couple .410 slugs in the event that I want to piss off a bear :homer: I actually have never played with a .410, but I think the option for a few different loads would be nice, and they're small/light. I'm curious to see what a slug would actually do.

I might buy a Papoose anyways, I don't know that the .410 requirement is worthwhile, or more of a 'neat' survival type thing. I would like to hear more opinions of it before I jumped into it though.

I'm not a fan of 10/22s, unlike everyone else in the world (it seems).

 

In a 22LR breakdown rifle I have had this gone for 25 years or so. I love the concept the stock is plastic and its easy to pack. The shotgun combo looks like even a better idea.

 

I used to have one that was imported by Firearms International they were sold as Garcia Broncos or Bauer Rabbits. They were an all metal construction with a skeletal stock. I cuss my self out every time I think about it for selling mine it broke down into 2 pieces that were fitted into a homemade leather pouch with pockets that held to 50 round boxes of .22, 20 rounds of .410 and a cleaning kit. It and my take down fishing rods used to stay under the seat of my pick up.

http://gunreviews.net/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1208769866

 

I do quite a bit of backpacking, and have been contemplating the same thing.
I know you said you don't like the 10/22, but I think it is the answer. (It is for me anyways, since I have the 10/22, just need to get a folding stock)
With a folding stock, you're down to about 27" with a stock barrel. This would fit perfectly right along side tent, sleeping bag, and pad in a pack. Throw a couple 100 packs of ammo and a couple mags in, and you're set for "most" animals you'll encounter in the woods. Small enough you won't shred that tasty little squirrel when you're starving, and with 2 factory mags to the face, bears around here should get the hint. ymmv :flipoff2:

Or the OSR way, pull two pins, and you have a backpacking AR. :grinpimp:

 

Probably not.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11311597&postcount=1

 

You said .45LC and .410. I know your looking for rifles but any reason a taurus judge wouldnt work?

 

If it's what I think it is, I can't legally carry it. It is a handgun chambered for both, no? I think I can carry one if I'm a prospector, or some other bizarre scenarios. Canada has some weird shit going on regarding handguns. You need a Restricted PAL at least, I don't have one since the rules regarding handguns are so ****ed. (It's basically locked transportation to and from a registered range, shoot at the range only, return to locked storage area. If you want to take it anywhere else, it has to be locked, and you need a transport permit :shaking: )

 

Maybe I missed it, but why not the Savage O/U?

 

The Model 42? I'm not sure, but I don't think it easily breaks down, and it's a bit heavier... It might be something that could be modified to what I want.

 

I don't know if you'd be interested in it, but a kel tec sub 2000 folds in half and easily fits in a backpack. Jut over 4lb empty. Can be had in 9mm or .40

 

Have an OLD Savage .22 over .410, break open/breach load gun. Was my dads.
Kills squirrels really well.
Takes a beating and shoots well still.
A newer version with synthetic stock would be lighter.

 

I'm not saying I'd go hunting bear with a .22, but in the event you're being mauled, it's better than nothing.

 

I got one of the Rossi's for my son last year for Christmas. We only got the .410 barrel, though. Because of its weight (or lack thereof) the felt recoil is considerably more than a heavier shotgun. My son much prefers to shoot the decades-old Mossberg bolt action .410 that's been in my family for four generations.

With that said, an adult utilizing proper shooting technique should be fine with the lightweight Rossi. I don't mind shooting it. Rossi makes barrels in 23 different calibers (give or take) that fit the platform so your only real limitation is having only one shot.

I've had a standing order with my LGS for a .22LR barrel for the Rossi for about three months now. Nothing. I could order one online I suppose, but I'm not in a big hurry and I'd just as soon give him the business.

 

I'm looking for some sort of a small 'backpacker' type of rifle. It would also be nice if it was combined as a shotgun too, something like .410.
The Savage 24 is definitely not what I want. Is there anything in .45 Long Colt (or such) and .410 out there that breaks down/is rugged/reliable?

I meant this one, the 24

 

How heavy is it? I thought they were built like a brick shithouse...

Also, with it being out of production, I might have a hard time finding one. I don't recall ever seeing one for sale in Canada.

 

Along the lines of this then maybe? Like the taurus judge so .45 and .410 but its a rifle. Also have .44 mag and others?

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=15

 

****ing Sexy:
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=212&category=15&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=

I betcha they're restricted in Canada, since they're built off the Judge. Heaven forbid that I could theoretically cut that thing up and turn it into a handgun! :shaking:

Seriously, I'll be looking into it. Although that's a little more than I want to spend :homer:

Edit, they're restricted, exactly for the reason I stated. So, same rules as a handgun, not gonna happen.

 

According to this page, my 24c weighed 6 pounds, and is difficult to find. Loved mine though.

 

Dumb question... but...

What's the legality of a MKIII pistol up there? I've been looking at those (since this thread popped up) for small game use while camping.

A MKIII weighs a little under 3 pounds, and a 22/45 (both target barrels) weighs a tiny bit over 2 pounds.

Seems like either one would be accurate enough for a squirrel or a rabbit.

 

If it's a hand gun, it's restricted, or perhaps even prohibited. Until they change the current laws (de-register restricted and allow them to be carried in the back country), they're just useless from a legal perspective.

 

A larger caliber but not breakdown: USG MP94

They come in 12/308, 12/30-06, 12/7.62x39

Davidsons is showing weight at 8lbs

 

Sweet final one of these in a real usable calibers I may need to go check one out!

 

After a long while trying to find dealers of any of the things I wanted... And trying to find a used Savage 24 for a decent price (I offered $370 + shipping for a rusted/beat N model and got turned down :shaking: Apparently they're worth near their weight in gold)... I found a place that had a Rossi Matched Pair in stock.

It's a .17HMR/20ga. Said screw it, and ordered it. Might not have been what I was thinking originally, but I don't own anything in .17HMR or 20ga, so WHY NOT! Should work fine, I think.

 

It's a .17HMR/20ga. Said screw it, and ordered it. Might not have been what I was thinking originally, but I don't own anything in .17HMR or 20ga, so WHY NOT! Should work fine, I think.

I've got one in .22/12ga, and my kids have a youth matched pair in .22/.410.

They shoot the .410 pretty well.
I have a hard time shooting the 12ga barrel accurately. It's so lightweight that it swings funny to me. It also kicks pretty good due to its light weight. :laughing:

20ga won't kick as much. I'm interested to hear what you think of its swing.

 

Why do people ignore the 28 gauge?

The .410 and 20 gauges both suck.

 

Why do people ignore the 28 gauge?

The .410 and 20 gauges both suck.

Quantify that? Isn't 28 just roughly smack dab between .410 and 20ga?

I ignore it because I can't easily purchase ammo. If I can't buy ammo for it at Cambodian Tire (it's like a hardware store) or Wal-Martville then I consider it exotic, and will avoid owning it. I can buy 12, 20, and .410 at either of those places, and normally there is something of a selection at either one or the other.

 

They have the 42 in synthetic form.
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/Model42

 

Can you actually buy one yet?

I've read reviews that featured the pre-production ones, and it looks like I could order one off Cabelas, but it's listed as a pre-order type thing, and that's about it.

Have not yet showed up in the LGS. I asked, they said they were being whispered sweet nothings.

Personally, I think the thing is ugly as sin. If anything, I'd hope the 42 becoming massively available devalues the 24s, so they're at a price I'm willing to pay. Having had time to stew this all over, I think the .22/20ga model 24 is more useful than the .22/.410 anyways.

It's ridiculous, but a used 24 of any caliber, in good shape (not rust, furniture not dented to shit, nice bores) is going for about the MSRP of a new 42 ($450ish). At least, of the ones that came up for sale since I started this thread (remember I'm in the frozen north, too).

 

I assume you're on cgn looking for guns?

Make a pirate gun Ricky.
Get a beat up 20ga o/u or sxs, cut it into a pistol grip then cut the barrel off to make an overall length of 26 1/2". For you 'mericans, sub 26" o/a length is a restricted. And we can't cut a barrel to less than 18"...but we can buy an 8.5" 870 barrel. But cut 20" off a 30" barrel and it's prohibited.
I've got a 12 gauge single shot hacked out of the middle of a shitty old CIL 402 barn gun. It was pistol gripped but it got dropped and Damaged the grip beyond repair, so now its got a full stock again. It's loads of fun, could be lightened up with a drill bit I suppose, and with a slug, the 1/8" recoil pad is a great tool for bringing macho men down a notch or 8.

 

I've thought about doing something similar. My idea was having an insert barrel made for the top barrel for a .308 or similar power center fire cartridge

 

I've got a POS JW2000. IE, the factory SxS with 12" barrels. It works for that, and actually works fairly well in general. It's going with me to the next gun-friendly bear-unfriendly camp I work in. It would be nice if I got a scabbard for it, haven't seen anything appropriate yet. If I was to carry it in the bush, I'd probably just put it in my backpack as is.

I need to shoot more slugs and buckshot through it. After I fire the first barrel I'm always a little scared on the second :laughing: Just not used to it yet. It groups nicely enough with target loads, so obviously I'm the limiting factor. And I've managed to successfully shoot some skeet with it.

Boito (hope I got that right) makes a 'backpacker' .410, full stock and about a 8" long barrel. It's probably 26" O/A on the button. No, I won't be buying one. :laughing:

 

why not a single shot shotgun and an insert like this
http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm

 

Never knew those existed.

 

this always works well for me...

 

OP is in Canada. He can't walk around with an AR.


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The 70PSS lightweight, has a scope rail, comes in a floating pouch, and stainless. Plus it is as accurate as a 10/22 IMO. The AR7 is not nearly as accurate as either and of questionable quality. Have owned all three but still have the Marlin. Excellent little backpacker.

 

Just got my birthday discount e-mail from MidwayUSA. They appear to have several of the Rossi Wizard barrels in stock (amazingly)! I already have the .410. What next? .22 LR? .22 WMR? .454 Casull? :laughing: Maybe .223?