I heard that a V10 will allow you to pull wheelies Or maybe even a v6 vortec motor....that might work $1200 later....you might have been able to rub elbows with some guys on the board and get that in there...

 

no matter what, it's still gonna suck with 4.10s. you'll eat clutches.

and putting a 20R head on a late(85 or newer) block takes machine work and money. for what you're doing, i don't think you'll get 170 too easily unless you go to a turbo or supercharger.

 

Why not save yourself tons of money and just regear to 5:29 like most folks would ?

 

also, any 4cyl making that much power is gonna be at wat too high of a powerband, so, unless it is a mud pit truck, you will probably think it has less power than it does now. I do not trail ride at 5500 rpm, do you?

 

Why not save yourself tons of money and just regear to 5:29 like most folks would ?

seriously now, 1000 bucks for regearing would be better spent money than trying to shove money into the 4 banger.

you gotta respect the 22R for what it is, it's because of it's reliability. a high torque high horsepower mill it is not.

 

ok. so how much power do you think i would be getting right there. not at the wheels. just at the flywheel

 

What everyone else said... Re Gear. The 22r in my 80 is somewhat built, it just wasn't enough. The best way to go is match what your running tire and drivetrain wise with your motor by simply regearing the thirds... I run 4.88's with my current set up and it does real well. I can take my wifes 3.4 liter up to 60mph or so before she catches me. And you want torque, not top end for gettin' it on the trails anyways.

 

gear it! thats about the best bang for your buck!

 

So heres the deal, I want to be able to push my 35's with my 4:10's down the highway a lot easier and so i can also get the good mileage. Thanks

You wont get "The Good Gas Mileage" with that set up. i was running 37" mtr's with 4.10's and i got CRAPPY gas mileage. (because my foot was near or at the floor almost all the time) after stepping up to 5.29's i get WAY better gas mileage. just regear it. you can do all you want to your 4 banger...but its still just gunna be a 4 banger. :flipoff2:

 

You need gears!! I used to have a 86 4 runner with a stock 22re and 35's. But it had 5.29 gears in it. It would easily outrun a buddies 86 turbo toy with 4.10's and 33's. Plus it got 20mpg. I also once had a 91 toy reg cab with 33's and 4.88's . I had plenty of power , and with gears and a downey header it got 24mpg on the highway. My current minitruck is an 89, all stock with 31's. It's gutless on the highway, and gets 15mpg just like my cruiser. 194k doesn't help, but with 235's it got 20mpg and could go up hills in 5th gear on the highway. So again, YOU NEED GEARS!

 

i had a 88 efi motor with 4.10's and 35's. i got killer mileage if it was flat. turned my 5 speed into a 4 speed though. id shift into 5th and slow down. winding the fawk out of it in 2nd up hwy 50 getting passed by semi's sucked ass though.

 

My brother did that build up on his it runs pretty well but he still changed gears. I think I also saw that build up in a magazine and they claimed to get in neighborhood of 145 to 150 hp.

 

What I plan to do:

What I have already:
engbldr rebuild bored .030 over to a 2.6L
Weber 40mm carb too
Aluminum intake (gonna port it)

Going to get:
Run 4.56's in V6 third members (stockers)
36" or 35" swampers
Hedman or DT headers
261C cam
grind the valves and rockers
port and polish the head

Should push around 170hp or more. I still want forged pistons and install a custom turbo This is my DD right now and yes, I like the idea of the turbo. Flame me if you want, but it won't change my plans.

 

how the hell did you bore that out to 2.6l? using a stroker crank or something?

stroker kit would be cool...too bad it's like $2000 from lc. for that money i'd just swap a supra engine in.

 

I was told that bored .030 over is a 2.6L, but I haven't done the calculations myself.

 

What about building a 22r for Formula Toyota? What would be the best things to do to get some more torque and HP out of it while following the rules and not spending a couple months worth of pay?

 

I'd be curious as to what numbers that gets on a dyno. I'm pretty happy with my stock 230hp 300ft-lbs motor

What's good mileage? I get about 13 or so but my foot is in it a lot too. Oh yea, I got an extra 4 cylinders too ha ha

 

3rzfe.....be done with it

 

this thing is beautiful :smokin: got any bigger pics of it

 

The 2.6L is only with a stroker crank I believe. Don't forget to have your pistons notched if you went with the stroker or the first time you try to turn it over you are in for a big surprise.

 

Why did you use a book for your user name? J/w...

Four Wheeler got 320+ out of their carbed 22R with the supercharger. I'd like to aim for 260 with the turbo. With the 261C cam, I'll still have plenty of torque. Gears have a lot to do with it too.

One drawback with 5.29's is their strength. I've seen a lot of broken 5.29 gears on this board. I don't know if it's because they are too hard on the gears or the gears themselves are crap, but that's what I've seen. I might regear to 5.29's later, but 4.56's should be nice for the road.

Besides, I plan to do a 302/C6/205/9"/D44 swap later. Goin for fuel efficiency right now, especially with gas prices at $2+

 

this thing is beautiful :smokin: got any bigger pics of it

Thanks.... my first 22r build. Sorry no bigger pics though. Tomorrow it gets an msd ignition Hoping it will help with the :grinpimp: steep factor

 

Ok... Let's stop all the speculation, and get some real figures here!

1st off... You are not going to push anywhere near that much power. My buildup was an EB kit, 270 cam, OS valves, 0.040 overbore. I am pushing roughly 143 HP, not 160 or 180.

2nd... You CAN NOT bore the 2.4 to 2.6... Here's the hard numbers:
Configuration/Bore/Stroke/Cubic Inches/Litres
STOCK/92mm/89mm/144ci/2.37L
0.020/92.508/89mm/146/2.39L
0.030/92.762mm/89mm/147ci/2.41L
0.040/93.016mm/89mm/148ci/2.42L

To get 2.6l out of the 22Rxx engines, you would have to increase the stroke. If you increase the stroke to 99mm, you get the following:
NO BORE/92mm/99mm/161ci/2.63L
0.020/92.508mm/99mm/162ci/2.66L
0.030/92.762mm/99mm/163ci/2.68L
0.040/93.016mm/99mm/164ci/2.69L

So, as we all can see, you need to put down that pipe... You will only see 140-150 HP, and roughly 2.4L (out of a 2.4L engine). You *could* get a stroker kit to achieve 2.6L, but its gonna co$t ya (about 2k bones).

Quit running skeered from the 5.29's... JUST DO IT! :smokin:

Source for all above posted figures (ci and displacement): http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/displacement_calculator.html

 

:shaking: looks like the bull shit is gettin out of control here lately.

 

Ok... Let's stop all the speculation, and get some real figures here!

1st off... You are not going to push anywhere near that much power. My buildup was an EB kit, 270 cam, OS valves, 0.040 overbore. I am pushing roughly 143 HP, not 160 or 180.

2nd... You CAN NOT bore the 2.4 to 2.6... Here's the hard numbers:
Configuration/Bore/Stroke/Cubic Inches/Litres
STOCK/92mm/89mm/144ci/2.37L
0.020/92.508/89mm/146/2.39L
0.030/92.762mm/89mm/147ci/2.41L
0.040/93.016mm/89mm/148ci/2.42L

To get 2.6l out of the 22Rxx engines, you would have to increase the stroke. If you increase the stroke to 99mm, you get the following:
NO BORE/92mm/99mm/161ci/2.63L
0.020/92.508mm/99mm/162ci/2.66L
0.030/92.762mm/99mm/163ci/2.68L
0.040/93.016mm/99mm/164ci/2.69L

So, as we all can see, you need to put down that pipe... You will only see 140-150 HP, and roughly 2.4L (out of a 2.4L engine). You *could* get a stroker kit to achieve 2.6L, but its gonna co$t ya (about 2k bones).

Quit running skeered from the 5.29's... JUST DO IT! :smokin:

Source for all above posted figures (ci and displacement): http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/displacement_calculator.html

I think you are pretty close.. Here are some numbers from my dyno softare. I was just playing around, and built a 22R, bored and stroked, bigger carb, big exhaust and headers, high RPM cam, bigger valves and ported head, etc. These are just estimates, but it gives you some idea for comparison purposes.

22R Carbed, cammed, stroked & bored, headers, etc.
2000 RPM - 102 brake tq, 38.7 brake HP
2450 RPM - 120, 56.0
2900 RPM - 142, 78.4
3350 RPM - 163, 104
3800 RPM - 160, 116
4250 RPM - 156, 126
4700 RPM - 151, 135
5150 RPM - 148, 145
5600 RPM - 146, 155
6050 RPM – 128, 148

2000-6050: Pk Tq=163, Avg Tq=142, Pk HP=155, Avg HP=110

Gnarls.