Is that the persons rig you want to show pictures because that's scary?

 

Yes. I'm trying to convince this person this is not a good idea...

 

Bad idea and if you have any pics they will be broken. Check the failed thread you will see the pics I speak of

 

How isn't it common sense to plate those joints!? And even if this guy doesn't think it'd help, plating them would be cheap enough that it shouldn't matter

 

I am going to say that his friend is pretty lazy.

 

Looking at the shitty welds, not cleaning the areas to be welded with a flap wheel all I see is fail written all over it. Yes it does need to be plated, what special school does your buddy go to?

 

thats a pretty poorly done frame looks like 1/8 wall too I would of used 2x3 3/16 wall and fish plate the joints and build crossmembers that dont look like there trailer inspired.

 

PLATE those joints! 1/8" would be ok with some long fish plates and rosets. Stock rails are only 1/8" on outside, top ,and bottom. Did he go all the way to the factory joint on the inside of the rail? Do a 8-10" stagger and weld it up and then take your grinder to the top and bottom with 1/4" thick wheel , slice the rail so you can put a 3/16" plate through the inside. Then weld that to the rail top and bottom.

 

On top of fishplates Tell your buddy to french in those hangers too

 

That looks like 11 gauge ( .1196" ) is he building a samurai? Because that's the only thing I would use such a thin material for.

DROID...

 

I never said it was a friend or a buddy, I've never met him. Just a guy on our local board and I was trying to offer him some constructive critism. That's why I was looking for some fail pics to show him it's a bad idea.

I already showed him how I did mine:

I didn't start this thread to bash him, but rather show him why I disagree, looking for pics...

 

Poor butters.... He means well. Haha.

 

You called that one didnt you?

 

I would let him learn by failing, just stay of the trail/road when he is on it. Some people buy a welder from Home Depot and find some scrape steel. They then combine the two and believe they actually know something about fabrication. Let their mistakes encourage others to actaully educate themselves before attempting to fabricate something so critical. On another note, as a welder by trade, I encourage the process as it adds job security to me and my family. :flipoff2:

 

it looks to me like nothing was chamfered like the welds are just laid on top of the joints .... not welded but long tacks
Id grind it all out and do it over and then lay plate on top

take care
JAK

 

frame is 2x5 3/16th thick, truck has been airborn multipal times, even recently flipped with not damage to any of the frame i build. i may add some plates now that everything is ripped down but i drove it for 8 months on the rd and trails problem free. but thanks for everyones consern :flipoff2:

everything was welded by some who knows what they are doing, the welds penetrated just fine and sorry i didnt care to clean them up. but its solid

not sure how my cross members are trailer inspired? if you are referring to the gas tank bracket it was only a temporary fix, tank if moved now.

all the metal was brand new and very well cleaned before welding, this picture was just after a couple of days sitting outside. the welds are more then strong.

like i said before, i have jumped this truck a couple of times without problem and recently rolled it, how else would you like me to prove its strong?????? i have landed so hard i bent the factory steering wheel all the way back against the column.

7 months later still in perfect working order after being jumped

 

frame is 2x5 3/16th thick, truck has been airborn multipal times, i may add some plates now

sounds good :smokin: ignore all the dumbass keyboard warriors that are afraid of life and think their the baddest fabbers ever, they like to jerk off thinking how bad they just reamed some guy on pirate. more then half the douche bags replying here wouldnt even have the balls to attempt building their own frame, but they read about fish plates on pirate so they are now experts, especially at determining the thickness of steel tubing from low quality pics.


the frame will probably hold up like it has been, but go ahead and add some fish plates just to make it that much stronger, it wont take much work or time.

 

Get your welder to proof read you post until further notice.

 

Lol no doubt
I couldn't finish reading the scatter brained post.

I bet if those welds were x-rayed it would show porosity like a mother ****er.

DROID...

 

well hell, looks good then run it :shaking: what state are you in??? I want to keep my wife and kids off those streets

 

they are welded by a professhional, they are just as strong as anyone elses

 

i am going to add some, but for everything i have done to this nothing has moved cracked or anything so its more then strong as is

 

I agree with rockyota just ignore the shit. We have equipment trailers that arenot fishplated and have been fine the past 10 years. If welded properly it will be plenty strong. It's up to you on the plates, but remember it will only make it stronger.

 

IF that thing is still holding it is more likely due to blind luck than skill on anyone's part. It hasn't broken YET. just give it time. IT will and in spectacular fashion.

 

why is that because people starting bashing it? it is welded properly and has been beat to hell already. if it was welded so bady, and i used such bad material and ****ed it all up. how come i have jumped it, beat it, drove it into a tree at 20 and bent the front factory part of the frame but yet no damage to the rear for almost a year now? really luck?? i dont think so, i have had it looked at by many people in the fab world and no one has had anything bad to say about it other then people on the internet that haven't seen it in person.

 

get used to it, the internet is full of idiots.


fish plating the butt welds makes it stronger so the internet retards that read that on the internet automatically assume if its not fish plated then its going to fail and kill a bus full of nuns, what they dont consider is there are dozens of other critical high stress parts butt welded on thousands of different vehicles that hold up just fine.

fish plate the butt welds so their super strong and ignore the internet retards that dont get the fact people are more likely to take your advice if you talk to them like a decent human being, theres tons of great information here on pirate, you just have to deal with the idiots to get it.

 

Don't let it get to ya man. Alot of these guys on here are web wheelers and don't know shit about fabrication. Just blind sheep thy will concur with what everyone is saying. Hell some of them don't even have wheelers. They like to just act like they know what they are doing.
My .02 sas that bitch and flatbelly it.

 

i know how it is here, i have looked at the forums for over a year just never joined bacause of this kinda stuff. but if my own stuff is going to end up on here i will be there to say something about it. its funny you say about sas and flat belly, that is what i am going right now (cutting of ifs tomorrow). need to get a new cab and will build a nice tranny tunnel up the mittle. there is a lot of custom work coming from me, will post some pics when its "pirate worthy"

 

I'm the one you messaged about the tunnel lol

 

right you are haha