One of the guys in the Toy forum is running them. I don't think his rig is finished though. I think there are a few threads on here about them. Tried a search on here?

 

2 threads i had bookmarked when i was researching thses.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1038266
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1038266

 

i would think they would be more stable for on road driving due to the sway shackles can give you, the only negative about the set up i can see would be less down travel.

the other positives are getting both your leaf eyes level front to back, and one less bushing on the rig :laughing:

 

When set up properly they have as much or MORE down travel than a regular shackle.

I drove a couple thousand miles on the street in my XJ, sometimes with way more weight in it than was reasonable, never had ANY issue with the sliders.

Worked well on the trails too. ZERO issues overall.

I bought mine from Timmay at Liquid Iron.:grinpimp:

 

Can you run these in the front? I'm using 2.5" YJ springs on a tracker with toy axles, spring under. I get some funky bump steer at speed and it sways a little. I was looking into putting sway bars on it, but i don't want to band aid the problem. If it's spring stability then I want to fix it.

 

Here's a frame I started using the LII sliders. I'm still kicking around using it

 

Old thread but, Wilson did you see any issue with mounting the sliders up front? I need to go this way with the current rig in the shop due to some issues I'm having clearance with the body mount (cab). Any input is greatly appreciated.

 

I used these on my blazer build on the front end.
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speedway-Heavy-Duty-Leaf-Spring-Sliders,5817.html

After one trip out where the bearing rides on side of slider its worn the metal half through. Don't know wether its do to the fact I mounted them horizontally and not angled or the fact I didn't use the bronze bushings supplied with them in lew of the rubber ones which I suspect. Either way they're coming off.

 

When I was looking into them, I found reports of the bearings not lasting. You should be able to convert yours to the hdpe pucks easily enough?

 

jmop but i wouldnt use them . not guna gain anything other than work to me.

 

i did them on the rear of my runner, so far i love them. they work amazing.

 

I was looking at my Dad's (RIP) old (68?)one ton ford dump, and it has sliders on the front axle. The spring is anchored at the rear and the front of the spring slides back and forth through a bracket with a bolt under the spring. It worked then, see no reason why it wouldn't work now, it's not like dirt has changed, (well maybe except of the whole global warming thing and all....kidding). However the front axle on an old ford dump had no need to flex. Added bonus: no shocks...:laughing:

All kidding aside, I see where the rig would set a little lower, but how much flex are you giving up with the sliding shackle? Have you bolted your axle up and tried dropping one side out? Just asking?

 

Yes, I had 12" of vertical travel before the leaves were being pushed beyond what I considered "safe." Not sure what those numbers would yield in terms of flex and there are many variables like spring perch width that would affect those numbers. A lengthy discussion developed on ih8mud.com during my original build. With some creative designs to maintain "shackle droop" travel. IMO that negates one of the benefits of a slider setup, consistent spring rate throughout the range of travel.

 

BTT.

Wilson, how did these work out?

I posted some questions here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-hardcore-tech/652426-sliders-versus-shackles-2.html

 

I never finished the build. I do have a new set of the LII sliders for sale $125 shipped.

 

For what its worth, I can't keep them in stock. They fly out the door and I have rave reviews.

I've never sold a set of replacement pucks to someone with worn out parts. Only 3 sets EVER to those buying them as a precaution.

Here's a recent one from a customer using our XJ specific boxes:

Tim:

Good afternoon, just to let you know, that I have installed and tested the sliders on my Xj, and they work far beyond what I was expecting, we prerun for some friends last week for a local race, did about 500miles, I was a bit concerned about the UHMW plastic bushings wearing out fast, but what a surprise they didn’t even get marked by the rail support.

Nice work, willing to by another pair for my other Xj, I’ll keep you posted on how they work.

 

I've been running the Liquid Iron sliders on the front of my daily driver Dakota for a while now (at least 5000 miles) with ZERO issues. And I can't see any wear at all on the plastic pucks, either. At this rate, they'll last forever.

The front end is very stable, too. I'm running crossover steering with no panhard rod and there's no side-to-side play in the springs. The sliders might transmit a tiny bit more road noise and vibration to the frame than shackles would, but it's barely noticeable and who gives a shit, anyway?

 

I have them on my yota. So far, they roll in and out of the garage like a dream :flipoff2:

the reason I got them was to keep my truck low, while still allowing as much travel as the leafs are capable of, and also to have a consistent spring rate which should make the rig more predictable. When the leaf moves throughout the arc that a shackle allows, the spring rate is constantly changing a bit. With my sliders mounted flat, the rate remains the same throughout the travel forward and backward, if that makes sense...

 

I'm trying to figure out the best way to install these (if I get them).
I'm doing my RS & if I put normal shackle & bushings through the frame, I run into issues with my slider mount & gusset being in the way (the shackle hanger would be about 2" to the left of the bolt in the pic):



Here is a crude drawing of my options with the slider.




Slider for reference:

 

You will want your first drawing or the same thing slightly frenched.

For reference, these are the new version of our boxes. They are formed 1/4" instead of the welded version pictured. The UHMW pucks and spacers are also all CNC machined for accuracy to ensure the smoothest operation.

 

You will want your first drawing or the same thing slightly frenched.

Why mount them angled instead of flat? If you mount flat, you have the advantage of a non changing spring rate. When mounted at an angle, you have the same changing rate you see with a shackle?

The best research for these is done in the circle track world- they all run them and definitely not at an angle....

 

I made mine own before LII made theirs or I would have bought that kit.
They work great against the rocks, definitely stronger.
As for suspension performance about the same as shackles, but steering was a little better because the spring is more laterally supported.

If it is mounted on an angle it is the same as mounting your shackles at an angle. i.e. they will either increase the spring rate or decrease the spring rate of your spring. Think of it if the spring moves up when compressed and the end moves up that is easier, vs the end moves down it is harder.

I would recommend them if you are stuck on going with leafs.

 

any experience with these either helping eliminate or making death wobble worse?

 

No tech to add but I will be ordering a set to run on the front of my toy.

 

I've got a set of LLI's running in the rear of my FJ55 with 54" Tahoe springs. I went from stock Fj55 springs and it smoothed the onroad ride nicely. It also dropped my rear down ~2".

The FJ55 is full bodied with 60" wide Dana 60s and 35" tires.

I haven't had a chance to give them a chance offroad yet. But the floor jack tests were pretty damn impressive:shaking:

I've got a set waiting to be installed in the front.

I've had them running onroad for ~1k miles and no noticeable wear to the pucks. Onroad "flex" doesn't cause the pucks to travel much.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them.

FWIW, I'm one of the paranoid SOBs that ordered a spare set of pucks:homer:

 

The sliders have 9" of travel & cycling my springs they move 4" (droop to compression without an axle/using a jack). (leaving 5").

I'm wondering if "3 droop size & 2" compression


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/inte...rum/international-harvester/1090594-80-800-shackle-reversal-2.html#post18337425

 

Here is a crude drawing of my options with the slider.

I have heard that the using an angle as showed in the second option reduces wrap. Thoughts?

 

I think the second option will give you a harsh ride, since the slider will be trying to push the spring down at the same time whatever bump you hit is trying to push it up. It will effectively raise your spring rate. Just my opinion. Take it FWIW.

 

How is using these on the front of the front springs any different than the stock Ford front shackles that everyone hates (bumps move the axle forward into the bump)?

 

same question. How would these work located on the front of the front spring, in traditional Jeep CJ fashion?

 

Ran across this while searching, good info. I'm going to be ordering a set for the front of my samurai. It has a set of circle track sliders on the rear of the front springs. Its super harsh and bouncy. They are mounted flat/horizontal. I'm hoping the Liquid iron ones that are angled some in the design will work out good.

 

That means your spring rate is too high and your shocks suck. Fix those first. The angled slider will decrease your spring rate a little, but if it's really that harsh then it won't make a difference.