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My new shop - 36' x 40'

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#1 ·
It's time for a proper GARAGE! I have been planning this for a while and working with the township on their regulations. My biggest hang up was 15' overall height restriction and my desire to have a car lift.

Garage will be 36' wide, 40' deep, 10' side walls. 3 doors across the front, 1 door in the rear. If you do the math that would be a 6 car garage :rocker: Below is a rough sketch of what the garage will look like along with the placement on the 'compound' - you can see the L shaped home in the picture as well (flat in the picture).

The work has been started but the main project (foundation) should start in about 6-8 weeks. I'm sure I'll be posting lots of pictures along the way.

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The garage will follow the property line (where those bush things are) and run along the front edge of the parking pad.

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This tree is coming down on Friday...

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Well a crude drawing of the interior layout. First off - this is how I'm going to be referring to the bays going forward. #1 is closest to the house, man door on the left. #2 is the rear roll up door. #4, 5, 6 are the parking bays.

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Now, on to my initial lay out sketch.

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A walk around bay #1 shows cabinets and pegboard on the outside wall, then the man door. I left a little wiggle room there for now as I'm sure the electric panel will be in there somewhere. In the corner is the Air compressor - I would like to do a 'closet' for it to contain the sound. Bathroom is next. Basically, toilet and utility sink. Thinking urinal as well; but we will see on space. Finally tool box.

#2 is the lift. Figure each bay is 12' wide and 20' deep. The plan is the offset the lift between #2 and #5 giving me the most flexibility in space. If I set it 15' from the rear door that would leave me 25' from the front door. It would also allow me to lift something close to 30' long symmetrically. I would like to do more work on trailers, so this would be beneficial.

#3 will be bulk storage along the back wall. Thinking pallet racking with an open base so I get store some larger tools under the rack. I have a full array of wood working and metal working tools - so organized storage is key. Of course the lawn mower and my motorcycle need to have a home too.

#4-6 will be the main parking bays.

Tools:
I'm planning to get an 80 gal air compressor. Eventually I want to plumb the shop and also would like to get a plasma cutter/bead cabinet/etc. - all of which need higher compression than a standard 100psi compressor will do. I'm thinking a 2 stage compressor is the way to go - but starting price for those is around $1,800. Thinking about this one: Atlas Air Force AF8 Plus Two Stage Single Phase 80 Gallon Air Compressor - "Blemished" because that is the same place I'll be going to get my lift.

The lift I have settled on is the Atlas PV10P. Atlas® PV-10P Overhead 2 Post Lift
It's 10K rated and runs both symmetrical and asymmetrical. I think that it provides the most flexibility out of all the lifts I have looked at. Seems the biggest issue with this lift is the directions are 'lacking' but overall reviews are positive. I was looking at a motorcycle lift as well but thanks to this (NOT my bike):

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http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56388

I'm just going to utilize the 2 post lift with a home made attachment.

I would like to find some industrial pallet racking that is more wider than what I can buy at Lowes. Anyone have any ideas?

Utilities:
So I know we are upgrading the electric service to the house which will feed the garage. So a trench is needed. In the backyard the sewer runs out the back of the house, runs towards the side yard, then follows the side road to the main road connection. So digging a trench from the house to the garage will cross that sewer pipe. Might as well connect up right :lol:

I can run a water line from the house as well. Figured just cold water line and then use an inline water heater for the sink.

We also have natural gas service at the house - would be nice to run a line to the garage maybe for future heat or something.

My thought was to run everything in one ditch. My problem is I'm not finding any helpful information about distances between items. I was planning to run 2 separate 2" conduit next to each other. Planning on using schedule 80 PVC. One for the electric service, one for future additions like LAN cable, coax cable, intercom, maybe running an airline back to the main house - whatever the needs may be. I was planning to run PEX water line - I should be under the frost line for this but if I'm not it will be surrounded by 2" form board. How far away should a water line be from electric? Also, if I run a gas line should it be the threaded pipe or flexible hose? Should it also go through another pipe like I'm doing for the electric? What is the recommend distance between the utilities?

Oh how I already can't sleep thinking of all of these things....and the work hasn't even started yet.

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#3 ·
You can't tell by that picture but that tree is in rough shape. It's been hit by lightening 2 times in 5 years. The whole center section is dead and starting to split. It was coming down anyway - shop or no shop.
 
#4 ·
For you pallet racking find someone in your area that sells actual pallet racking. Every major city in the US has someone that sells new and used.

I found three of my sections on craigslist from someone relocating their warehouse and sold all of their old stuff.
 
#7 ·
It's a start! Would prefer to get all of what I'm looking for from the same manufacturer, but it's worth throwing an offer to see. It's a shame that what I see is valued around $400 at the going rates online.
 
#8 · (Edited)
I don't want to be the guy to bring you down, but I don't see 5-6 cars fitting in there, unless you figure storage on the lift with one under it. Don't forget 36' x 40' is (generally) the outside dimension, when you factor in wall thickness and foundation you already start losing interior space.

My father built a 30'x40' garage about 7 yrs ago, 2 10'x10' doors and a walkthru. We originally figured 3-4 cars inside. We built a loft 30'x 8' for extra storage and a work area underneath, we built a small,6'x6', compressor/utility closet under it also. The exterior walls are where the tool boxes and benches are. So after that I have an "open" area of about 25'x30'..it's just barely enough to have a project in there and have one open bay, I COULD squeeze 3 in there, but it would be TIGHT!

I know, I know it's a friggan mess..maybe if i cleaned it I could "fit" 4 cars..but mostly just for storage at that point, they would be door handle to door handle.

As for the compressor, I have a 80gal husky from home depot that is rated for continuous duty, been working fine for my blasting, it will lose a little pressure with long jobs,but I do have a 200gal air tank i will be plumbing in for exta capacity.

Run your water lines below your frost line, DO IT! Why take a chance if it's just a little more work to dig down another foot or so. Run electric ABOVE, and preferable to the side of the water. we ran a 4" length of sch80 to snake some 2" black plastic (pvc?) water line and then a 2" sch 80 for phone, internet, etc. Garage has it's own separate electric and gas, we wanted to be able to track power/gas usage just incase we wanted to run a business out of it.



Open span loft. Under loft:compressor room, fab area(welder,plasma,band saw,cutoff saw, sandblast cab,bender,press drill press fab table) and parts/hardware storage - the back 6x6 corner is full of divider drawers,nut/bolt cabinets,misc hardware,spare parts


Tools and benches on back wall


Reg cab 8'bed chevy, has about 3' all around for working space, those benches in the middle of the shop are temp right now. you can also see my ( out of commission) radiant heat system..warm floors were nice in the winter. If you look next to the jackstand closest to the door you can see a round hole next to it, those are body shop tie downs we had put into the floor when it was poured, nice to have, only a couple hundred bucks for the 8 or 10 i put in.
 
#9 ·
36' gives me 12' per bay. Most ve chiles are less than 8' across. 40' gives me 20' per car going 2 deep, most cars currently owned are 16'. I'm not planning to park 6 cars in the garage, really 3 at most but planning for 2 ( in #4 and #6) when working on a project.

I'm just more hopeful to put all my tools under one roof at this point.
 
#10 ·
This>Don't forget 36' x 40' is (generally) the outside dimension, when you factor in wall thickness and foundation you already start losing interior space.

My 30x40 is actually 28x38 inside, usable space. 2' doesn't sound like much..but adds up too around 130 sq ft lost floor space in a building this size. It's been 7 yrs now and I keep rearranging for better space and work layout.

Either way, I'm happy for ya, everyone who works on cars needs a garage. Just trying to give you an outside view from someone who's been there. I'm sure you'll love it! :D
 
#11 ·
No worries mate! It's sure as hell will be better than the 2 car intergalactic garage before I moved and the shed I have for storage now...

Just got word from the wire - the tree is in the process of coming down now. Hopefully she can tease me with a picture or two while I'm at work.
 
#12 ·
It's time for a proper GARAGE! I have been planning this for a while and working with the township on their regulations. My biggest hang up was 15' overall height restriction and my desire to have a car lift.
Is it in fact an overall height restriction? Pitched roofs are frequently measured from the 'mean height' which is halfway up the pitch.

In my 3-bay shop, I was able to have a 20' mean roof height and also have a 20' ceiling for the center bay. :D
 
#19 ·
Nothing yet. The builder had some personal stuff come up (2 month newborn needed open heart surgery). Should be coming to dig in 2-3 weeks. Playing around with layout a bit now...

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#24 ·
This is the same build that I am going through at the moment, the only exception is that I am doing loft trusses. 36'x40' - 3 8'x10' doors. With internal wall height of 11' 2", so the lift will be different - if I can ever afford one after the build.

Currently at the frost footing stage; in the process of doing the weeping tile, and then time to back fill.

What app did you use for the layout? I would like to borrow that layout file from you if you don't mind sharing. It would be nice to start planning how all the toys will fit in.
 
#22 ·
That last rendering looks more realistic as far as parking for 4 vehicles goes. Getting 4 in my 30x40 is about all I would want to squeeze in there and have room to *do* anything.
 
#23 ·
Update on the building. It has been delayed for some personal items with my builder.

The builder's son passed away recently so rightfully so he needs some time with his family before he can start. Should be another week or two before I have a concrete start date.

For those who want the details, his name was Cody and he was 4 months old. He was the youngest of 5 children. The last days of his life he was able to spend at home in the arms of all his family that loved him. He had complications from day 1, but that does not make loosing a child any easier. My heart goes out to the whole family.

Hopefully my next update will be a more positive one.
 
#25 ·
I used the google sketchup make on PC. It's a free download just watch the sites you visit as there are copycats out there that just give viruses. I should be able to send the file if you want to shoot me a pm with your email. The file is large with all the vehicles rendered in it, so I will delete those first so you have a clean footprint to work with.
 
#28 ·
After some time off for my builder he is ready to get back to work. Additionally...Permit was issued! Should be starting next week. Went and picked up some supplies for the ditch today:

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#32 ·
Not bad for a trail cam either! Just set it up at the end of a pole taking one picture every 5 minutes. I hope to document the whole building this way - should make a good time lapse for me to keep.