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Re Visit; the High Boy Debate

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#1 ·
Ok here is the real deal on the Ford High Boy, Sorry but I had to come back to this because everyone has a different opinion, and because I'm looking for another one and I'm sick of seeing "Highboy" on C/L. Then you call and ask a few questions, and you get "well it just is one", well, just because it is a F-250 4x4 doesn't make it a High Boy. The Ford "HighBoy" is referring to a Style of Ford F-250 made thru the Mid-70's. This Truck Varied From the Original F-250. The Ride Height of this Truck is Greater. This Truck uses a NP 205 Divorced Transfer Case. You Can Tell the Highboy From the Regular F-250 By the Transfer case configuration. The Divorced Case Means there is a Driveshaft between the Transmisson and the Transfer case. ALL High Boys are made this way. The HighBoy also uses a Reverse Rotation Pinion setup in the Front Differential. The Gear Ratio on the Highboy comes with factory 409. Most people call it 410. The Highboy also Features 1 Ton Hubs, dana 60 or 70 Rear end. Thats why everyone wants theirs to be "Highboy", It should be worth more.
 
#7 ·
I'm as much on your side as anyone here...

However, no "HighBoy" ever came with a "Reverse Rotation" axle. EVER!




And please stop using the term "Reverse Rotation"
Ok, if you can name one part of the axle that travels in a "reverse" "rotation" as compared to a normal front axle I'll correct my self.
 
#19 ·
And please stop using the term "Reverse Rotation"
Ok, if you can name one part of the axle that travels in a "reverse" "rotation" as compared to a normal front axle I'll correct my self.
The pinion shaft's axial travel is in reverse of a "normal" front end. What do I win? :D

As I've said many times, all front ends travel in reverse even though their gears were designed to run forwards. The reverse spiral gears are designed to turn in what would normally be reverse because that is forward on a front end, but you are right, nothing turns any different direction than on a regular one. With this in mind, and given the wide range of user slang that has been generated by auto enthusiasts, I don't consider it criminal to reffer to them as reverse rotation, even though it is still somewhat of a large misnomer.
 
#8 ·
:mad3: Wrong Newb - try searching on a subject that has been covered about a zillion times. Here let me do the heavy lifting for you. :mad3:

All 73 thru early 77 F250's are often referred to as highboys. Some people refer to the 67 thru early 77 F250's as highboys. EITHER WAY THEIR IS NO SUCH OPTION AS FACTORY HIGHBOY, OR HIGHBOY, OR HIGHRIDER PACKAGE, OR BIG PECKER EDITION or whatever other special edition they just know they have and can prove it, but never produce the proof - it is just a nickname that came up after they quit making them. It was a way for people to differentiate between the early 77 and the later 77 (lowboys with negative arched springs). You can legitimately tell a 77 highboy by its VIN, if it is before Y20,001 then it would be a highboy, after Y20,001 it would be a lowboy. Their frames are narrower 34" and straight ladder style. Not all of them had 1 ton hubs. They all did not have dana 60 front ends as a lot of people believe. Some had 60's, some had dana 44's, and some had Dana 44's with 60 outers(Dana 44HD). Some had the larger spicer style lockouts, and some have the warn style (some people refer to them as 1/2 ton lockouts).

So let me clarify - there was never a highboy option. They never made F250 lowboys and higboys at the same time. You could not choose to purchase either a highboy or a lowboy (what you referred to as a regular F250).

It is just a cool term that everyone likes to throw out their when they are selling their old ford truck and want to run up the price.

A couple of weeks ago a guy on ebay was trying to sell his 78 Bronco Highboy. The guy swore up and down that it was a factory option and that he had a special order bronco. Of course he would never give up the VIN. He told me it was a highboy because he could fit 32's from the factory - when I told him that all 78 & 79 Broncos could fit 32's from the factory the conversation, uh, lets say went south from their. :flipoff2:

Funny thing is, he did not receive a single bid on his special bronco :flipoff2:
 
#20 · (Edited)
All 73 thru early 77 F250's are often referred to as highboys. Some people refer to the 67 thru early 77 F250's as highboys.
I have a tendency to agree with this. I'm looking at a 69 with the HD axle right now, and it doesn't appear to be anywhere as near as tall as the 73 version I had. I'm hoping to get some detailed measurements and pics soon, then I need to find a 73 or newer high boy to compare.

Some other clarifications, also. No Dana 70 rears, a Dana 60 front would be a special order and extremely, extremely rare. Special order does not mean optional, and it doesn't neccesarilly mean anyone could special order one. It just means that Ford agreed by contract to build somebody one(or some)for whatever reason. The crew cabs had Dana 60 fronts stock. The 76/77 calipers were the dual piston, as were the 72 on 2WD F-250's when they came out. The Dana 60 used prior to 1978 had 30-spline inners. Not certain on the stubs or hubs.
 
#9 · (Edited)
This Truck Varied From the Original F-250. The Ride Height of this Truck is Greater. This Truck uses a NP 205 Divorced Transfer Case. You Can Tell the Highboy From the Regular F-250 By the Transfer case configuration. The Divorced Case Means there is a Driveshaft between the Transmisson and the Transfer case. ALL High Boys are made this way.
FAIL

There is no "original" F250, if it was a 77 or older F250 4x4, it was a narrow chassis divorced t-case truck, that's the only way they came.

Edit:
Oops... let this sit half typed for an hour and everyone else got their 2 cents in... LOL
Not all of them had 205's either, I personally yanked a set of axles from a 71 with a D24 2 weeks ago. Said axles are crap low spline count units(44Hd and 16 spline FF 60) too, not desirable at all.
 
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#26 ·
82F100SWB said:
FAIL
Said axles are crap low spline count units(44Hd and 16 spline FF 60) too, not desirable at all.

Yes F250's Dana 44 had kingpins, even two types before disc


82F100SWB, your very wrong about your post even for just 67-75 years. Might want to go research some more. I'm not going to take the time to correct it today.
 
#10 ·
The epic fail is strong with this thread :vader2:
 
#11 ·
Wow, his first post and much of it is wrong. Thats the real deal? Have you ever crawled under one and looked? Hell even the factory F-100's from 1959 to 64 had leaf springs and low pinion front axles with divorced t-cases. Those should be classified as highboys too.
Chevys were built the same way through 1966 and nobody calls any early Chevy a highboy. It just is not that big a deal.
Lots of folks make way more of it than what it is, a simple matter of if the truck can from the factory with a divorced or married t-case and the appropriate suspension that came with the driveline.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Calipers? This was a 71 man... Kingpins, big balls and 1330 u-joints, but DRUM brakes... LOL
Heven't opened up the front to check spline count, but, it should be 19 spline inner/outer if memory serves.
 
#15 ·
I dont see how you figure it should be worth more. They had a screwed up power steering system that was expensive to replace/repair.
I dont recall ever seeing one with a Dana 70 (doesn't mean it didn't happen) in the rear
Some of them came with the big hubs which were junk. But they were still only dana 44 hubs.
The jack shaft between the transmission could be handy for swapping in different transmission with out using adapters, but all the High boys I had seemed to have trouble keeping this driveshaft in place. I have thrown 4 or 5 in the years past with these. Fords fix was a brace from the frame to the t-case which was supposed to solve this problem.
The "high boy was made up to 1977 1/2. as stated in another post, the latter part of the year Ford started producing the next model of truck, Which done away with the divorced transfer case and started using the High Pinion front ends. Not reverse rotation pinion setup :shaking:

You will find that most people on here really dont give a shit about getting a Ford lesson from someone who is clueless about fords. You first post brings the suck :shaking:
 
#27 ·
With this stunning example of his first post; we should all be thankful. I mean, it was SUCH a retarded cocksnuggling post of epic magnitude it almost seemed like a joke. Except, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. The world weeps :(
 
#28 ·
Definition of Highboy. Low pinion shitty driveline angle divorced t-case garrrrrbage. :)

Shoehorn a mated trans and t-case... hp diskbrake front end and you've got yourself a fine ride.

Nothing like milling perches and rotating knuckles just to make a driveline happy in a mildly lifted mudf-cker application. Worked on too many of these things. yall are arguing too vehemently about what crappy parts they come with... strip it and run the body and frame. :)
 
#29 · (Edited)
im gonna make my snowfighter lowboy into a supercab highboy snowfighter ...then i can sell it for five times the price cause its the only supercab highboy snowblower with a married 205 and the "no-bed" option...ok, maybe not, i dont want to downgrade....:flipoff2:
 
#31 · (Edited)
Mr. N, what exactly is wrong? Other than my brain fart and typing 1350 rather than 1330... I personally yanked the axles out of a 71 2 weeks ago with a friend. The truck was 360/NP345, divorced Dana 24, HD 44 front, low pinion, large hub/large balls, everything knuckles out looks very much the same as the LP closed knuckle 60 purportedly out of a 75 Crew Cab another friend of mine has.
We also picked up a second set of matching axles, not 100% sure on their age, as they were loose. Both sets are 4.09 gears with a LS rear. I pulled the axle and counted splines on the rear 60 we pulled from the 71, 16 spline no questions asked. Haven't had the front apart yet, but, I want to just out of curosity. Everything I can find says they should be 19sp inner/outer, and that's what sticks in my head as what we couldn't find for the 72 a friend of mine had in high school.
I can get pictures and BOM's if you want. I also know where there is a 59 on a 67 F250 chassis I may be able to get info off of if it's still readable; provided the current owner doesn't mind.
 
#39 ·
Half gallon? ***** please. You're distracted by way less than that- titties and beer is usualy enough.

I had to add Ang's office on the house and had a deadline of 30 days to finish and get inspected for the loan bullshit. Got it all done and got the deck on as well so we are party ready now!!

I was golfing off the deck this evening, if I get my ass in gear I'll have the clay pigeon thrower set up off the corner of the yard as well... I'm gonna finish running power to the shop this weekend, I've already got water to the outer wall so it'll be an easy finish off when I get all the bathroom fixtures in place along with the septic and short drain field..

Imma thinking the weekend before labor day, a month from now. Whaddya think?
 
#40 · (Edited)
Half gallon? ***** please. You're distracted by way less than that- titties and beer is usualy enough.
I've got nothing to say :homer:

Imma thinking the weekend before labor day, a month from now. Whaddya think?
Sounds like a plan!

edit: I thought about apologizing for the thread hijack, but upon second thought, a hijack is the best thing that could have happened to this fecal abortion of a thread :mr-t:
 
#42 ·
Like PRO said, I love my highboy, now that it has a 79 grille, 78 steering box, disk brakes, 3.54s, diesel, overdrive. Once I get rid of the "awsome divorced transfercase" and the "heavy duty king pin D44" I will be tickled shitless.

They came with 205s, 203s, and D24s, all divorced. The guy who said he found one with a D21 must have found a cluster**** contraption, as that is a single speed tcase from F100s.