[fratis]

dont leave pirate just cause a few idiots post garbage like the following. its obvious they are not as "hardcore" as they want you to think.

steering stabilizer is very important.....

(swaybar) thats a big part of it.

swampers can cause a horrible death wobble.

Do you have spacers or offset wheels, that can contribute to it.

DW can be caused by numberous things and usually it takes a combination of factors to rid yourself of it. no one thing is going to be the cure more likely then not. do remedy those items you are sure need replacing. tighten everything up, replace anything sloppy, balance tires (even swampers) , and work your toe-in. ive found that close to a 0 toe-in works best with larger tires and a bit more castor. alignment shops, even those that work with larger tires, will often use factory specs and its obvious that you are far from factory. for me every remedy made it a bit better but setting my toe-in was the final elimination of DW. BTW my swampers wouldnt exibit DW but my AT set would.

 

[yjnwjeeper]

your very right, but all those people who suggested to take my lift kit back were too stupid to give an actual "smart" responce. i was talking to some other jeepers not on pirate and i found out that my CAD or central axle disconnect and having a locker will cause death wobble. also that the angle of my front pinion matters too, which is why i'm trying to figure out how set my adjustable control arms right. if you actually have a good answer thats gonna help then please dont stop to give a response.

 

[yjnwjeeper]

i will have to ask what they set me toe in to when i took it to get aligned.

 

[jackson76550]

dont leave pirate just cause a few idiots post garbage like the following. its obvious they are not as "hardcore" as they want you to think.










DW can be caused by numberous things and usually it takes a combination of factors to rid yourself of it. no one thing is going to be the cure more likely then not. do remedy those items you are sure need replacing. tighten everything up, replace anything sloppy, balance tires (even swampers) , and work your toe-in. ive found that close to a 0 toe-in works best with larger tires and a bit more castor. alignment shops, even those that work with larger tires, will often use factory specs and its obvious that you are far from factory. for me every remedy made it a bit better but setting my toe-in was the final elimination of DW. BTW my swampers wouldnt exibit DW but my AT set would.

come on now.....you cant even spell caster.......
take the steering stabilizer off of a lot of rigs and dw is what you will find. it doesnt cause it or repair it......but it will prevent it. someone smart as yourself should know that. :flipoff2:

 

[Dook]

come on now.....you cant even spell caster.......
take the steering stabilizer off of a lot of rigs and dw is what you will find. it doesnt cause it or repair it......but it will prevent it. someone smart as yourself should know that. :flipoff2:

wrong again... it doesn't prevent it... it masks it. It's still there, you just don't feel it as much.

to the OP, correct the problems you KNOW you have and then see where you stand and we can go about trying to help you solve it.

 

[jackson76550]

just a different way of saying what i said isnt it?

 

[bigchief1919]

how has this made 2 pages with out being moved? any way i install bolt on lift kits for a living, going on 7 years. we've have plenty of trucks come in with DW, even factory super dutys. they were having problems with the pitman arms trying to back off and lack of caster. worn out parts are your BIGGEST problem. i have never heard of a locker or the CAD causing DW but who knows. fix EVERY worn part, balance your tires, and get as much caster as you can with out killing your pinion angle. steering stablizers are bandaids only. untill you fix what is worn, you will just be chasing your tail.

 

[Dook]

just a different way of saying what i said isnt it?

if I put a bandaid over a cut, does that mean I prevented it?

No, it's not a different way of saying it. It's completely different.

 

[boost_junky9]

Heres a tip for sense your broke start with the cheapest thing probable track bar bushings But looking at pics of said lift kit the track bar doesn't run parallel to the steer linkage so that makes for hella bump steer and steering issues. Each time you have some extra money fix your problems.

 

[jackson76550]

helps it stop bleeding doesnt it? :flipoff2:

anyhow if a steering stabilizer helps it out in any way.....or keeps the steering from getting to the point of dw when you hit a little bump in the road ....which it does..... id call it important as i stated earlier. does it FIX the problem? no but it does help and if its worn....replace it

in my experience..... its caster that causes it. in some cases it can be too much caster, like it or not :shaking: 2nd cause being tire related....but thats after you verify all the front end parts are in good shape. ive been fighting dw for over 10 years so its not just based off of what i read on the internet.....ive had a few eat my lunch, but ive fixed all the ones ive delt with, and im willing to bet its a few more than the average "hardcore" wheeler

anyhow, my vote is 6 degrees caster should do the trick when you go to have it aligned.

 

[bnine]

if I put a bandaid over a cut, does that mean I prevented it?

No, it's not a different way of saying it. It's completely different.

Hydro assist does the same thing, is that a bandaid too?

Elimate the assist from most large tire rigs and they will immediately display death wobble.

At the end of the day everyone except the alignment pimps are right.

Because it always comes down to control. Anything that is worn enough to reduce the amount of control the front end has increases the chance of DW.

Anything done to increase the amount of control the axle has, will reduce the chance of DW.

That includes steering stabilizers, hydro assist rams, swaybars, track bar and braces, quality rims and tires, smaller rims and tires, link bushings, balancing within reason, etc etc.

Someone said, its never one thing. Someone also mentioned tire balance. Considering the OP's front end is trashed, and he runs swampers, tire balance really is the least of his concerns, if its even possible with that rubber.

If you want to run that rubber you will need to get your front end in shape/upgraded to handle it.

Fix the worn out shit, and do what you can to stiffen the front end. Or in other words, reduce the amount stress the front end is seeing from the tires. Adding a stabilizer wont hurt, and regardless, it will allow your parts to live a bit longer.

If its a used kit, check the condition of the arm bushings. Those are pretty common for being a major contributor to DW. Right next to a trashed trackbar.

Good luck

 

[N_Rod]

i've never used this before.. my bad. i just thought that if the jeepers here are as hardcore as they say they might be able to help me out.

i know all the bad problems true, but the reason i'm not Just Emptying Every Pocket, and fixing them all at once is because i dont have the money to do everything right now. and i was hoping that some bad or worn parts were more of the cause. i'm just looking for a place to start, thanks for the welding idea! i'm definately going to do that.

and clearly i didnt pay full price, craigslist for like $500. i couldnt pass it up for the price.

and further more, of course the bolt on kit is not very hardcore. but the problem i'm having isnt with my lift kit. its the problem with factory steering components. all i was looking for was some advice on where to begin so i can atleast have fun with my toy. but some of these people are just pricks about stuff. so what if the lift kit is not hardcore?? but my problem is! DW is scary shit. thanks for being helpful im gonna go back to a real jeeper forum.

your very right, but all those people who suggested to take my lift kit back were too stupid to give an actual "smart" responce. i was talking to some other jeepers not on pirate and i found out that my CAD or central axle disconnect and having a locker will cause death wobble. also that the angle of my front pinion matters too, which is why i'm trying to figure out how set my adjustable control arms right. if you actually have a good answer thats gonna help then please dont stop to give a response.

Your an arrogant little shit aint ya? You should re think your attitude before asking for information from everybody. I thought you were going back to where you came from?

 

[Dook]

Hydro assist does the same thing, is that a bandaid too?

yes, as a matter of fact it is. If your rig is set up properly, you can travel in a straight line without vibrations all day long... assuming everything is set up, your alignment is good, your tires are balanced, etc...

just because it's a different band aid, doesn't mean it isn't one.

If a rig is set up correctly, death wobble can be avoided in ALL cases.

Elimate the assist from most large tire rigs and they will immediately display death wobble.

guess those people should try a little harder next time.

 

[BigKev11]

If a rig is set up correctly, death wobble can be avoided in ALL cases.



guess those people should try a little harder next time.

You got that right! I run 40inch Iroks with full width 60's front and rear without a sway bar or steering stabilizer and don't have any problems running the highway at 75mph. :smokin:

Put in the work to replace your worn parts and set your rigs up correctly and you'll get rid of the DW. :flipoff2:

 

[bnine]

yes, as a matter of fact it is. If your rig is set up properly, you can travel in a straight line without vibrations all day long... assuming everything is set up, your alignment is good, your tires are balanced, etc...

just because it's a different band aid, doesn't mean it isn't one.

If a rig is set up correctly, death wobble can be avoided in ALL cases.



guess those people should try a little harder next time.

You do so well right to the point were you bring alignment into it. Alignment has fuck all to do with death wobble. Return to center, and tire wear. Learn and remember it.

All set ups are a series of compromises. Running swampers is a compromise to balance. Beefier parts need to be ran to compensate for that.

Steel rims, shallow back space, direct connect tie rods, etc etc. All compromises to most stock engineered steering and suspension systems.

Stock front ends, even 1 tons are not designed to have 40" tires thrashed on them.

From your perspective that would make your upgraded links, bushings, "tire balancing" and anything else thats done over and above oem parts thats intended to control tire oscilation a band aid.

Simply not the case.

 

[bnine]

You got that right! I run 40inch Iroks with full width 60's front and rear without a sway bar or steering stabilizer and don't have any problems running the highway at 75mph. :smokin:

Put in the work to replace your worn parts and set your rigs up correctly and you'll get rid of the DW. :flipoff2:

If you're running 40's without assist, you're an idiot anyways. :flipoff2:

 

[SIKJEEP]

If you're running 40's without assist, you're an idiot anyways. :flipoff2:

I guess im a idiot, fuck assist its for pussys

 

[Dook]

You do so well right to the point were you bring alignment into it. Alignment has fuck all to do with death wobble. Return to center, and tire wear. Learn and remember it.

I didn't say it did... I said it was one of the aspects of going in a straight line with no vibrations.

From your perspective that would make your upgraded links, bushings, "tire balancing" and anything else thats done over and above oem parts thats intended to control tire oscilation a band aid.

Simply not the case.

not the case at all... all the things you mentioned actually fix valid problems. A steering stabilizer doesn't. It is just a quick fix to get you beyond a larger problem that exists.

 

[howyadoin]

I guess im a idiot, fuck assist its for pussys

Or people that don't wheel technical shiate. I've had one ultra light buggy and one one ton Juggy without assist, fawkin' miserable. I run full hydro on both buggies now and it is definately a necessity on many trails we run. Sticky krawlers in a tight, notched, waterfall are absolutely impossible to turn without hydro....period.

OP, quit being a douchenozzle and go back to wherever the fawk you came from. I've honestly never seen more legitimate, kind responses to such a fawkin' unworthy, shitty bolt on crap question...ever. If you got butthurt in this thread, you should probably go elsewhere before you catch somebody on a bad day.:shaking:

 

[cavaliers1323@aol.co]

OP, quit being a douchenozzle and go back to wherever the fawk you came from. I've honestly never seen more legitimate, kind responses to such a fawkin' unworthy, shitty bolt on crap question...ever. If you got butthurt in this thread, you should probably go elsewhere before you catch somebody on a bad day.:shaking:

bout fawking time :grinpimp: if you butt burns to bad go back to JU/JF