TJ w/ 25" wide tires need help

kling-on · Dec 26, 2005

It would ALOT cheaper and easyer to get older YJ or CJs and replace all the drive train with chevy stuff, rockys and have more power and less cost ... just do 305's and autos so they dont blow up to much stuff.

rock5150 · Dec 27, 2005

With Rockwells I would think weight would be an issue in wet mud.

rock5150 · Dec 27, 2005

....oh and open diff in front and lock the rear.

1badmudderfudder · Dec 27, 2005

from what i have read they are only about 100-200 lbs heavier than 60's and 14 bolts
i just want to build it up where an idiot can drive it and not break anything with the big ass tires that are going on it

rock5150 · Dec 27, 2005

Thats the problem...idiots break things:shaking:

Corn_Smuggler · Dec 27, 2005

Like was said above, you might want to check out the FL swamp buggies and see if you can get some ideas; those things traverse all over the place in the Everglades... might be worth a look.

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bobracing · Dec 27, 2005

they aren't 24" wide but are 16" wide and much longer:
http://www.mattracks.com/index.htm (not sure if this is the only company)
Use the 6 cyl, auto, a set of 60 ft & rr with the lift you need. Should do exactly what the customer wants.

for the trailer:
http://www.mattracks.com/html/trail-r-mate.htm

Hosejockey · Dec 27, 2005

it boggles my mind some one who owns a "shop" is on a internet message board trying to figure out how to build some one else a jeep. it seems like if you were a decent shop you would have the resources and knowledge to do this already.

sorry not to be a dick but thats how i see it.

1badmudderfudder · Dec 27, 2005

some of us can admit we dont know everything in the world this is how we learn
when someone as me for advice i dont just speak out of my ass i like to know first had what i am taking about, i like to discuss it with people that know what they are talking about.
when i decide which direction to go on this project i will spend about 2-3 weeks studying before we pic up the first wench or plasma.
Now just a little backqround on our shop
we have an atv, 4 wheel drive, motocycle shop in ridgeland MS
we have build custom motorcycles that have won many easyrider shows including 2nd in the invitational in 01 agiant names like jesse james, billy lane, dave perowits (sp?), and many more
we have built four wheelers that have more ground clearance than your rig i am sure (polaris 800 w/26 1/2" of GC with chromemoly cv shafts and full custom built suspension and full 3" jet hot coated exhaust stacks, that has won every bad to the bone contest it has enter), 750 brute forces that are stroked out to 916 that will out run a gsxr 1000 in 100'(yes a 4 wheel drive four wheeler that runs 5.40's in the 1/8 mile on mud tires) we have also built 5-600 hp diesel's tht run 11.80's in the quarter mile and can still pull 20,000lbs across country. our shop has done alot in 2 years and i am pround of my guys that work there ass off trying to learn and better themselves and the shop
sorry about going on and and being a dick but fawk off:flipoff2:
this is why these forums are here not everyone knows everything about everything i am sure dan at bluetorch or keith at extreme crawlers has learn something they did not know here
thanks pirate 4x4 and many other forum on the net for being there for people like me that want to learn
bruno owner big boyz toyz

Smash-K20 · Dec 27, 2005

1badmudderfudder said:
he want something to go in flooded cutover and fields it does not have to be amphibious.
how well do you thing the snowcats will do in 1 1/2 to 3 foot of water and the machines can not tear up the ground

I have seen them used for harvesting peat in peatmoss bogs up here and I guaranty you that nothing with tires can compete. You figure 2 36" wide tracks 10 feet long, then figure out what size tire you would need to get that amount of surface area. Then you'll see why tracks are the kings of floatation.

1badmudderfudder · Dec 27, 2005

i will give them a call today and talk with them about the snowcats

rock5150 · Dec 27, 2005

Hosejockey said:
it boggles my mind some one who owns a "shop" is on a internet message board trying to figure out how to build some one else a jeep. it seems like if you were a decent shop you would have the resources and knowledge to do this already.

sorry not to be a dick but thats how i see it.

Dick,
I'd rather deal with someone who is "into it" and wants to gain MORE knowledge than deal with a prick that "thinks" he knows everything! Every day is a learning experience.:flipoff2:

Hosejockey · Dec 27, 2005

ok understandable i was cranky last night and they way i was reading your post was like you were a 20 y/o kid who thougth you were running a shop

i apologize for what was sounds like you do some decent work

geberhard · Dec 27, 2005

1badmudderfudder said:
i have a customer that came into the shop that wants to build 5 TJ's with very wide (20-30") tires for floatation on his duck hunting camps (he owns 5)
since i think this would be a good place to get some opinions here goes
he has not bought anything yet he told me to give him a estimate on cost and he will buy all the stuff
i have found some ag tires that are 42x24x20 they weight 212 ea
i was thinking of rockwells since this is a fairly cheap conversion, or an i wrong

should he get auto's or manuals 4 or 6 clyinder he is going to get 2001 and up only so fire away and let see what happens

"Rockwells" and "flotation" do not go together... What about some portals instead?

crazyrc · Dec 27, 2005

I'm surprised no one has suggested these. I think they would be the simplest way to go.
http://www.mattracks.com/

scraprock · Dec 27, 2005

I dont know what the hunting terrain is like back there. But in the marshes out here, those mattracks (or any track) would get so gobbled up with the insanly sticky mud. I know that we have a old steel tracked dozer that we use to do work in the summer with. No one dares drive it into the mud cuz it gets so packed with mud.

I think your best bet is something in the 33" range that is as wide as you can find. That way you "might" beable to spin them fast enough to clean them everynow and then. The DickCepeks come to mind because of thier flat tread. But I am no mud person, so tread patterns are beyond me in that aspect.

Just something to tihnk about with the tracks.

crazyrc · Dec 27, 2005

Whoops.

1badmudderfudder · Dec 27, 2005

my experince with argos are they are POS and you have to work on them all the time and i dont think they can carry the load and people to the blind

DriveTime · Dec 27, 2005

Rockwells would be the axles to use in this instance. Use some 48x25x20 terra tires, or v-treads. He can run pinion brakes, full hydro steering and never have to worry about stuff breaking.

Aces'n'8s · Dec 28, 2005

1badmudderfudder said:
my experince with argos are they are POS and you have to work on them all the time and i dont think they can carry the load and people to the blind

I have used Argo's and Coots with little success in the rough stuff. IMO, they are severely underpowered. I duck hunt in North Central and North East Arkansas, so my club mainly has to deal with gumbo and the occassional bayou or slash creek. While these amphibs will take you near the hole, they cannot power you through the mud.

IMO, I would try to find a Blazer or Bronco setup. I favor the Bronco. This chassis will permit you to build a suitable powerplant, allow for full-width axles, give you better driveshaft angles, and a higher payload and trailering capacity. But, if Jeeps are your thing, then go for it.

However, these vehicles have not been in production for some time, so you may have to hunt for a structurally solid candidate to complete with a 2001 Jeep.

Most of us young guys ride our four-wheelers to the blinds/holes. But, some of the more refined gentlemen in our club prefer the Mules or even the great big Burban with a firery heater.

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